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    I don't think he's actually reading any replies,...

    One is sufficient. This isn't a gotcha circle jerk thread.[/QUOTE]

    I don't think he's actually reading any replies, just skimming and making comments.
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    Or you could check for yourself. If you cared to...

    I have given more than a few straightforward answers. [/QUOTE]

    I disagree (you could always attempt to prove me wrong with an actual quote).[/QUOTE]

    Or you could check for yourself. If you...
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    I have given more than a few straightforward...

    I'm pretty sure that I've already said that compatibilism doesn't rest on the ability to have chosen otherwise, [/QUOTE]

    I'm absolutely certain this is the first unambiguous response you've given...
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    Non believers choose Hell. ;)

    Non believers choose Hell. ;)
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    Judas: I have decided to follow Jesus, betray him...

    Judas: I have decided to follow Jesus, betray him and hang myself as a finale, geat Play, just love my part in it.
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    I'm pretty sure that I've already said that...

    Perhaps DBT will venture to say if he believes that compatibilism (in all its forms) does entail the ability to have done otherwise?

    Will that help?

    DBT, my good fellow, will you venture a yay...
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    Actors, having access to a script, understanding...

    "Ending up with" isn't exactly a case of choosing to play the role of Judas the traitor (committing suicide), Thomas the doubter, etc.....because none of them would have actually known what they...
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    People pray to gods that don't exist in the vain...

    People pray to gods that don't exist in the vain hope that those who don't believe will finally relent and join their club?
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    "Ending up with" isn't exactly a case of choosing...

    Did they all choose their own roles? Thomas decided to play the 'doubting Thomas,' Judas the betrayer,' Peter the Rock, etc?[/QUOTE]

    What ever roles they ended up with... they had all made the...
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    Repeating "you don't understand compatibilism' ...

    Why? Seriously, why?

    My particular take on the free will debate has absolutely no bearing on the criticisms I raise about your anti-free will claims/arguments - these criticisms are based solely...
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    Yet no 'critical examination' was ever offered. ...

    I know you think you have.

    The problem is that you seem to interpret my attempts at critical examination of your anti-free will claims as positive advocation of compatibilist free will. They are...
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    Did they all choose their own roles? Thomas...

    Did they all choose their own roles? Thomas decided to play the 'doubting Thomas,' Judas the betrayer,' Peter the Rock, etc?
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    Good choice. We will be waiting a long, long...

    Still waiting for someone to actually explain. It may be a long time waiting. Perhaps tea and scones while we wait......[/QUOTE]

    With dried grapes or rasins?[/QUOTE]

    Good choice. We will be...
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    Yes, the way you respond to posters who disagree...

    Yes, the way you respond to posters who disagree with your beliefs, which is there for anyone to see.



    You said. You say a lot of things that you can't support. The mind is not independent from...
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    I didn't mean to suggest that all theists are...

    Fear - not all theists are "driven" by fear.
    Desires - don't all individuals have desires? And, if determinism is true, then no one chooses their desires. They can choose to pursue what they...
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    If the purpose of Jesus was to die for the sins...

    If the purpose of Jesus was to die for the sins of the world, rather than a betrayal, the role of Judas was to help fulfill the mission, playing his role in the Divine Drama.
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    It's been explained that convictions are formed...

    You have never once shown me to be wrong about anything. You're a third rate fan boy of things you don't understand.

    You have refused over and over to answer my questions.

    Here, I'll...
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    I could say the same about you, only I'd be...

    Ok, you're making it abundantly clear that you've no intention of responding directly to the points I'm making.

    This is a waste of time.[/QUOTE]

    I could say the same about you, only I'd be...
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    That's your reputation. Ask anyone who has dealt...

    That's your reputation. Ask anyone who has dealt with you.



    Where did I say that there are no feedback mechanisms or loops? This is typical of your ignorance, misrepresentation and rudeness.
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    Once again, I have given rebuttals that encompass...

    I can't believe I have to spell this out for you.

    Once again here's what I said:



    Classical compatibilism does not entail the ability to have done otherwise in exactly the same circumstances...
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    So you claim. Your claims have been shown to...

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    You have refused over and over to answer my questions.

    Here, I'll demonstrate.

    Answer this question:

    Are the things you believe something forced upon you or have you freely...
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    Once again, the mind is what a brain is doing. ...

    Once again, the mind is what a brain is doing. Mind is not an independent agent like you believe. This is not because I say so, but what the evidence supports. For this point, it doesn't matter...
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    Jesus believed to be in spirit form possessing...

    Jesus believed to be in spirit form possessing someone's body, manifesting stigmata while in the borrowed body? Kind of like demon possession, only in a Divinely Sanctioned Form?
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    Philosophy without science or reference to the...

    Scientists and/or science-nerds, oftentimes don't really understand certain things in philosophy or about philosophers. Some of them want to dismiss philosophy as unnecessary, but can't exactly...
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