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    I disagree. One can do much better, by showing...

    I disagree. One can do much better, by showing that those stories are in general contradictory if interpreted as the characters do. In other words, the characters are vastly mistaken about the nature...
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    So, do you think that that is possible? How do...

    So, do you think that that is possible? How do you get out of the grandfather paradox?
    One possibility is that the time traveller actually got to a parallel universe. Humans do not exist, and I do...
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    To go with your point about Xi's age, how about...

    To go with your point about Xi's age, how about this:


    Xi wants to be regarded by the Chinese people at large as the greatest chairman ever. So far, that's perhaps Mao - the worst of them all,...
  4. The School Superintendent is banning a Black...

    The School Superintendent is banning a Black student to go to a school where there are White students. The baker is not banning trans people from doing anything. Rather, someone is trying to force...
  5. My reply was sensible because it captures what is...

    No, he is not discriminating against a black person on account of their being a black person. Rather, he is refusing to make an Interracial wedding cake. If the Interracial wedding cake had not been...
  6. But this law is unconstitutional, so it is not a...

    I believe he should be forced . It's called law enforcement for a reason.[/QUOTE]
    But this law is unconstitutional, so it is not a law in the sense of "law" used in the US Constitution (because...
  7. Okay, a few points. First, the charge that I...

    No, he is not discriminating against the trans person on account of the their being a trans person. Rather, he is refusing to make a gender transition cake. If the gender transition cake had not been...
  8. Sure, but how is that relevant? It's not about...

    It's discrimination on the basis of viewpoint - they refuse to endorse the transition party - not on the basis of whether the customer is transgender.[/QUOTE]

    Without the transitioner, there would...
  9. It's discrimination on the basis of viewpoint -...

    It's discrimination on the basis of viewpoint - they refuse to endorse the transition party - not on the basis of whether the customer is transgender.
  10. No, I disagree. He is convinced he is fighting...

    No, I disagree. He is convinced he is fighting the good fight, but also the constitution is on his side.



    You did have a way of making a correct probabilistic assessment that it was almost...
  11. Okay, so to prevent further misunderstandings, my...

    Okay, so to prevent further misunderstandings, my take is:

    1. We have conclusive evidence that to the baker, birthday cakes and transition party cakes are relevantly different. This was about...
  12. If he didn't bake that kind of cake, they could...

    If he didn't bake that kind of cake, they could easily get him on this. And it's pretty clear that he knows it, given the previous court case.



    I was not (I am not; I'm assuming you're right...
  13. But that has nothing to do with what I said. It...

    I - and you - have conclusive evidence that birthday celebrations and gender transition celebrations are not the same to the baker. [/quote] NO, we do not have any evidence that a transgender...
  14. If he refused to bake a birthday cake for a...

    That is not at all the point. It clearly is not at all the same to the baker, and I am assessing how the baker behaves, not how transgender people behave.[/QUOTE]

    You did seem to be of a mind...
  15. I - and you - have conclusive evidence that...

    That is not at all the point. It clearly is not at all the same to the baker, and I am assessing how the baker behaves, not how transgender people behave.[/QUOTE] You have no evidence to support...
  16. That is not at all the point. It clearly is not...

    It's a straightforward assessment based on the available information. Do you think there is a significant chance of that being false? Do you think there is a significant chance that the baker would...
  17. It's a straightforward assessment based on the...

    No, he is not discriminating against the trans person on account of the their being a trans person. Rather, he is refusing to make a gender transition cake. If the gender transition cake had not been...
  18. No, he is not discriminating against the trans...

    The refusal was not on account of Scardina's being trans, but rather, on account of the cake being for celebrating a transition.[/QUOTE]

    So the trans person is celebrating the transition but the...
  19. The refusal was not on account of Scardina's...

    The refusal was not on account of Scardina's being trans, but rather, on account of the cake being for celebrating a transition.
  20. I disagree on both counts, but neither is the...

    I disagree on both counts, but neither is the point anyway.


    It is not the point in the context of my reply to Gospel.
    The issue is whether the government should force people to engage in...
  21. That is not the point. First, someone might...

    That depends on the circumstances (though this one was about celebrating transition, not transition, but that aside), but the point is not that the belief is held rationally.[/QUOTE]

    Nope.

    It...
  22. That depends on the circumstances (though this...

    That depends on the circumstances (though this one was about celebrating transition, not transition, but that aside), but the point is not that the belief is held rationally.
  23. No, a problem is that what you claim follows from...

    I see where the problem is. In your world, either artwork is not art or you were not reading in context (i.e. cake should have been interpreted as "the cake").[/QUOTE]

    No, a problem is that what...
  24. What do you mean an "excuse" for bigotry? The...

    So, you believe a baker should be forced to bake a cake for a bris?[/QUOTE]

    Not all bakers are Christian, so many of them won't feel forced at all. My question is what religious beliefs is the...
  25. That is not what I had in mind, i.e., they would...

    That is not what I had in mind, i.e., they would not need to show that they got serious covid because they were not vaccinated. Rather, what they would have to show is that they got serious covid and...
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