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  1. Thread: COLOUR

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    Again, no one is denying a causal effect, but the...

    Again, no one is denying a causal effect, but the causal effect does not need to be colour, for humans or any organism. Other properties could be sufficient.

    Nor is anyone saying that...
  2. Thread: COLOUR

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    As previously stated, if some organisms process...

    As previously stated, if some organisms process light without having conscious experiences to accompany that process, that says nothing about those species that do have such experiences as part of...
  3. Thread: COLOUR

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    When I said stimuli I meant external stimuli (eg...

    When I said stimuli I meant external stimuli (eg electricity) because that is the direct analogy with light (that the colours are in the external stimiuli).

    If you are saying that external...
  4. Thread: COLOUR

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    That is the everyday, colloquial way of putting...

    That is the everyday, colloquial way of putting it, yes, and some philosophical colour realists might say it too, but it is nevertheless quite widely agreed among the various relevant academic...
  5. Thread: COLOUR

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    Some sort of objective condition, yes....

    Some sort of objective condition, yes. Wavelengths, for instance, or photon energies.



    I would say it is only strong evidence that there is some objective external condition. I am suggesting...
  6. Thread: COLOUR

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    Most brain processes don’t involve consciousness,...

    Most brain processes don’t involve consciousness, some do (at least if a threshold is crossed) including this one.



    It depends what you mean by mimicry. I ask you again about pain. Is pain in...
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    I wasn’t being entirely serious.

    How do you know that?[/QUOTE]

    I wasn’t being entirely serious.
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    If world population stopped increasing today,...

    I'm sorry, but it's really not.

    It's true even if you find it impossible to believe.

    Lots of people do find it impossible to believe, because in their early life they were convinced (often...
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    If coronavirus disproportionately affected stupid...

    If coronavirus disproportionately affected stupid people........
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    I guess the main thing is that she didn't have...

    I guess the main thing is that she didn't have sex with him after he caught it.
  11. Thread: COLOUR

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    I agree so far. I would say it is...

    I agree so far.



    I would say it is experienced as pain (when it is consciously experienced I mean, not all noxious stimuli appear to cross that threshold). It may also be categorized.


    ...
  12. Thread: COLOUR

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    Because the light energy contains (or is) useful...

    Because the light energy contains (or is) useful information about the world. It doesn't itself need to have colours, just as electricity doesn't have to have the property of pain in it, but can...
  13. Thread: COLOUR

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    Sorry koy. My blooper. :( I'll redraft my...

    Sorry koy. My blooper. :(

    I'll redraft my reply to your original post now. I mistakenly thought that you, like Fromderinside, were saying that colours exist in light itself.
  14. Thread: COLOUR

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    Colour existing independently of organisms...

    Colour existing independently of organisms experiencing it appears to be as unnecessary for explanations as is pain existing independently of organisms experiencing it.
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    I’m sorry, but that’s just nonsense.

    I’m sorry, but that’s just nonsense.
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    I presume chewy.com have restocked. (I promise...

    I presume chewy.com have restocked.

    (I promise I will stop reusing that gag very soon)

    Now, can I tempt you with something vintage and special......

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    26876 I swear I didn't touch it.

    26876

    I swear I didn't touch it.
  18. Thread: COLOUR

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    One way of trying (in broad conceptual terms) to...

    One way of trying (in broad conceptual terms) to form a bridge between (a) the external stimuli (wavelengths/energies) and (b) the electro-chemical impulses in the brain, would be to say that the...
  19. Thread: COLOUR

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    I don't understand the evolution of the eye...

    I don't understand the evolution of the eye enough to say how much of it involved mutation, but if we merely said that eyes have evolved to detect and respond to different, uncoloured stimuli in the...
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    26857 General downward trend for new cases in...

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    General downward trend for new cases in Italy.

    Up until end of yesterday.

    It would be encouraging if today's numbers fell below 4k.
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    26854 I swear I didn't touch it.

    26854

    I swear I didn't touch it.
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    I've been wondering. A friend of mine hasn't been...

    I've been wondering. A friend of mine hasn't been having any sex whatsoever with his wife for many years. Given the coronavirus crisis, is it safe for me to continue?
  23. Thread: COLOUR

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    You should start a thread on the topic of...

    You should start a thread on the topic of opacity. :)
  24. I would go along with that. Very much so. ...

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    I would go along with that. Very much so.

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    I'm not sure I would go along with that. I don't think we use logic as much as we might like to think. I'd say we use emotion a...
  25. Thread: COLOUR

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    Then we may not disagree much. And I also...

    Done. As with all conscious experiences, in the brain.[/quote]

    Then we may not disagree much.

    And I also meant (though on that occasion didn't say) only in the brain (ie there are no colours,...
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