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    Poll: Not true?! This is a dictionary definition of the...

    [/QUOTE]That is not true. The brain is working on those things without our realizing, fuzzy thinking.[/QUOTE]

    Not true?! This is a dictionary definition of the word. This is what proficient...
  2. Poll: I don't know but in any case this is not what the...

    I don't know but in any case this is not what the argument claims.

    I knew it would be a bit too difficult to parse.
    EB
  3. Poll: Sure, but that is not at all what the argument...

    Sure, but that is not at all what the argument claims.
    EB
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    Poll: Circular reasoning. EB

    Just pointing out the basics, that our perception of the objective world/reality is being shaped and tested by that objective world. It is an objective world because it does not cater to anyone's...
  5. Poll: Thank you to vote before commenting. EB

    Thank you to vote before commenting.
    EB
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    Poll: I still don't know what you have to object. EB

    So something exists that I label God.

    Good we could agree on that.
    EB[/QUOTE]

    Whatever it is that we call atoms, energy wavelength, etc, has a demonstrable effect in the physical world, the...
  7. Poll: Scientific knowledge about atoms is true

    This argument may be a bit difficult to parse, but it is definitely either valid or not valid. So, if you have an opinion, thanks to share it.



    EB
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    Poll: So something exists that I label God. Good we...

    So something exists that I label God.

    Good we could agree on that.
    EB
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    Poll: Thus, proof that atoms exist only results in the...

    Thus, proof that atoms exist only results in the existence of atoms being widely accepted as true.

    This is of course very different from us knowing that atoms exist, since it may be false even if...
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    Poll: Yes? So you trust your intuition on that? EB

    Yes? So you trust your intuition on that?
    EB
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    Poll: What's your point? EB

    Prove to me we are talking about the same thing.
    EB[/QUOTE]

    Can't. There is no prior behavioral history for those who conclude intuition is thus and so because .... All I point out is that...
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    Poll: We can try to do that. Whether we succeed is...

    But then it is just a case of you assuming the premises as true, which is fine. But it is still not a case of the reasoning proving something true on its own. You need both the valid reasoning and...
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    Poll: Ah, both not valid but not really at all the same...

    Ah, both not valid but not really at all the same thing. And this is a crucial point. Validity is not the same thing as formal validity. An enthymeme may be valid but by definition won't be formally...
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    Poll: Prove to me we are talking about the same thing....

    Prove to me we are talking about the same thing.
    EB
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    Poll: OK, it is your position. Please note that...

    OK, it is your position.

    Please note that logicians admit that arguments missing a premise may be valid. That is, logically valid. Not formally valid, but valid.

    The idea is that we take into...
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    Poll: But then it is just a case of you assuming the...

    Sure, but it is not because we routinely believe other people have a mind that other people a have mind.

    We are logical being and logic in itself doesn't prove anything true. What it does is prove...
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    Poll: What do you expect me to do? I see a tree in my...

    What do you expect me to do? I see a tree in my garden and you're saying science can't measure that tree.

    Well, we disagree. The hell we disagree. Scientists can't measure intuition but I can. I...
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    Poll: Well, tell me how or why an argument and a...

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    Well, tell me how or why an argument and a conditional are different from a logical perspective.



    I didn't say it was an argument. It is a conditional.

    And I asked whether the...
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    Poll: Well, you are wrong. Still, for the sake of...

    Well, you are wrong.

    Still, for the sake of argument, please justify your claim here. Or is it just something you believe?

    This is actually an interesting point, and I am not sure that the...
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    Poll: So suddenly Wiki is the truth sayer? LOL. I...

    So suddenly Wiki is the truth sayer? LOL.

    I didn't provide the link to support what I say. I know I am rather isolated being rational and rigorous. These dudes are mostly PhD's repeating again and...
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    Poll: Sure, but it is not because we routinely believe...

    Sure, but it is not because we routinely believe other people have a mind that other people a have mind.

    We are logical being and logic in itself doesn't prove anything true. What it does is prove...
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    Poll: Indeed. It is proven, many times over, again and...

    Indeed. It is proven, many times over, again and again by successive generations of mathematicians and school children. It is never proven true.

    If you understood logic you'd know that logic...
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    Poll: Theorem... For the few people who...

    Theorem...



    For the few people who understand logic here, a theorem is never proven true. Mathematicians like to say you can't falsify a theorem.

    Well, they are wrong, but it is still true...
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    Poll: What's your point?! EB

    [/FONT][/COLOR] In every instance materiality continuity is maintained.

    A mathematical theorem is

    from https://www.mathsisfun.com/definitions/theorem.html note parenthesis conditions.
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    Poll: No, you didn't "concur with everyone else". The...

    You are contradicting yourself.

    It has to be significant that the only one to find that the question doesn't make sense is also the one who has a training in mathematical logic.
    EB[/QUOTE]

    Not...
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