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    Even smart kids need and deserve some attention. ...

    Even smart kids need and deserve some attention. Sometimes questions are resolved just by asking them. Smart kids can sometimes have a gap--maybe momentary, maybe fundamental--in understanding or...
  2. Can you show where I demanded that the women...

    First wave feminists had it right. Women should be allowed to do whatever men are. There should be no jobs or areas of society held away from them and all laws doing so shouldn't exist. It's rare...
  3. So you and Metaphor are the same person?

    This is an argument Toni can have with herself by herself. Nobody else need type a thing. This level of lack of self awareness is amazing.[/QUOTE]

    So you and Metaphor are the same person?
  4. I am not the one you have to convince that these...

    Again, you keep attributing attitudes to me that you seem to hold yourself, despite your denials.

    I've made a strong case for why any one or all of these women could have easily held the role that...
  5. Again, you keep attributing attitudes to me that...

    So now you are reading management's minds also? Is there no end to your abilities as telepath and prophetess?



    You're the one with the attitude problem Toni, not MMA management and not me. I...
  6. What's sad is that you think that you can only...

    Of course they have value. They're just not being employed in a role that's been made redundant. I'm sorry you think someone's current job is their worth. That's a sad psychological mindset to...
  7. I see you are part of the problem: Like the...

    No. The role was gone. When people get made redundant because their role no longer exists that doesn't mean they only had worth while performing that particular role.[/QUOTE]

    I see you are part of...
  8. Then you are in the wrong thread. I haven’t...

    I'm not. I'm against shaming women for availing themselves of this choice where it exists and I'm against calls for a world where such "demeaning options" are a thing of the past as laughing dog put...
  9. By prude do you mean women with an ounce of self...

    There was an agreement and women who applied for and got the role. They aren't enslaved to do it. And if they can make money doing it, because guys desire it and the MMA business thinks its good...
  10. It's not biology--it's society and yes, it's...

    Their JOB'S purpose (not their purpose as people) is to draw attention through looking good, yes. No. That's not problematic. That's biology. And if they get paid well for it, then having the option...
  11. There is something inherently wrong to be...

    Is the job you do your only purpose? Are you less than a competent and complete human being at everything else in life? No? Well same with the ring girls. They are competent and complete human...
  12. I don’t think that anybody should feel that their...

    So you do think they should be able to choose to have such jobs?[/QUOTE]

    I don’t think that anybody should feel that their best career choices involve wearing skimpy outfits in order to get men’s...
  13. I didn’t say that.

    You have expressed your beliefs: you don't want women to have jobs wearing skimpy outfits.[/QUOTE]

    I didn’t say that.
  14. As someone who has often been called a radical...

    Rejecting radical feminist ideas is not hatred of radical feminists, nor does a rejection of radical feminism mean the skeptic wants to control women.

    It is almost always the opposite of the case....
  15. So, as I have been saying: their purpose is to...

    Because the purpose of ring girls isn't to provide commentary but to be skimpily dressed and attractive to the heterosexual male audience.[/QUOTE]

    So, as I have been saying: their purpose is to...
  16. Right. Because clearly women wearing sexy...

    Hahaha. Good one. Remember all the triggering when women took on roles as the Ghostbusters? Or the reaction when it is exposed that women may be smarter? Or Gamergate? The usual suspects clearly want...
  17. You think there's any disagreement from me? My...

    You think there's any disagreement from me? My statements were only in defense of a false narrative being told about me. No need for you to try to continue that.



    I'd be shocked if the women...
  18. Please try to focus: that's not what we are...

    Because the heterosexual men in the audience find more enjoyment from skimpily dressed attractive women than modestly dressed attractive women.

    Really, Toni, it's not that hard to figure out....
  19. Why was wearing skimpy outfits part of the job? ...

    Being attracted to sexy women in skimpy outfits and desiring to see the same is not in any way "sexist". That is your fundamental error here. [/quote]

    Why was wearing skimpy outfits part of the...
  20. Is it free choice for the women to cave into...

    Someone(s) with different ideas about progress than you criticized the use of ‘ring girls’ as being sexist and disrespectful of women and outmoded and the organization caved to the pressure.

    It...
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    My sister was an engineer at Raytheon for a...

    Have you ever studied or worked in a STEM field? Ever studied or worked with women in STEM?[/QUOTE]

    While I've interacted with plenty of engineers from Raytheon, now that you mention it, every...
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    Mebbe you are right. But: What if there were...

    How do you know that the first cover would sell more copies?[/QUOTE]

    Precisely b/c the second cover had to be invented as a protest, b/c there were no mags for teen girls that looked like that. ...
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    Make that some white kids, and also some black...

    Make that some white kids, and also some black kids and some brown kids and so on. Some kids get a lot more from their parents from the start and have that advantage to start with all their lives. ...
  24. Long post but it has nothing to do with my post...

    You do realise that "looking at attractive women" and "maximising profits" are two different activities and the actors are different also? Right?

    The MMA audience wants to see attractive women in...
  25. Maximum profit is profit.

    So then, you believe the businesses do need them for profits after all.

    Some people believe they are not needed for businesses to profit.[/QUOTE]

    No, not "profit". To "maximise" profit.[/QUOTE]...
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