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  1. The issue is not the companies that are not...

    The issue is not the companies that are not making excessive profits, but those that are.

    Just like the issue is not the people who are not excessively rich or do not get an excessive income, but...
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    It doesn't seem much in the way of morality to...

    It doesn't seem much in the way of morality to condemn people to an eternal punishment on basis of what they don't believe.
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    ''If the Old Testament had been marketed as a...

    ''If the Old Testament had been marketed as a horror story — like a Stephen King novel — we might think differently about it. We applaud King's talent (if not the actions of his characters). Those...
  4. 1917 - I thought it was brilliant, the sets,...

    1917 - I thought it was brilliant, the sets, atmosphere, the horror of war.
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    Dreams and visions as an experienced 'non...

    Dreams and visions as an experienced 'non worldly' phenomena may give the impression of a non physical world that's populated by gods and spirits. So if someone does not realize that these are brain...
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    That is typically ignored, dismissed, downplayed...

    That is typically ignored, dismissed, downplayed or obfuscated. Every trick in the book comes into play.
  7. I like Phil Farmers Riverworld series.

    I like Phil Farmers Riverworld series.
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    Not at all. The written language is meant to...

    I mean that "just read it in plain English and assume that its meaning is obvious" is stupid advice. [/quote]

    Not at all. The written language is meant to convey information, and if it is meant...
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    Nor did I say, or imply, that a well considered...

    Yes, I noticed. So why would we - ever - not have a well-considered approach to reading ancient texts?[/QUOTE]

    Nor did I say, or imply, that a well considered approach is not necessary. What is...
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    My method? I made no mention of a method. A...

    So how do you decide which books we should think critically about, and which we should take at whatever "face value" happens to mean to us, even in translation? Is it just genre?

    I'm not actually...
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    Depends on the nature of the book, satire,...

    Do you believe that this is true of all books, that they are all easily understandable and "in plain English" without any need for interpretation on the part of the reader, regardless of their...
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    It is not atheists who define God as the creator...

    It is not atheists who define God as the creator of both good and evil, but the bible itself. The bible tells us this. Some people do not like this, apparently it's not convenient, so they play...
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    The verses say what they say according to the...

    Spoken like a true fundy.
    I'm proud of you.
    Here. Have a +rep[/QUOTE]

    The verses say what they say according to the English language. Anyone with a basic understanding of the language can read...
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    There is no need for me to interpret, the verses...

    Only in the ontological sense that there is an opposite to good. God creates or does a thing. It is good. Ontologically, we can therefore name other things not good.
    Abstract things can be NOT good....
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    An omniscient/omnipotent creator can only be...

    An omniscient/omnipotent creator can only be responsible for the state of the created. There are verses that say that God is not only responsible for evil but actively creates it.
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    Except that this verse is not the only one that...

    I went with this line in my former days challenging bible believers but then I would then realise saying to myself, "hang on a minute!"' ... "it's only said in the verse", as Politesse highlights...
  17. Sure it is. You know it's true.

    That's not an answer.[/QUOTE]

    Sure it is. You know it's true.
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    That's right, creating good does not negate the...

    The book of Isaiah overtly claims that God creates both good and evil.

    Isaiah 45:7 King James Version (KJV)
    7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do...
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    The bible clearly states that God creates evil.

    The bible clearly states that God creates evil.
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    The OT God and the NT God is supposed to be one...

    The OT God and the NT God is supposed to be one and the same God, so if the OT tells us that God creates evil, it obviously includes both....except that orthodox Judaism doesn't accept Christian...
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    No doubt...including political parties and...

    Isn't that how a cult operates?[/QUOTE]

    No doubt...including political parties and economists apparently.
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    Yes, to equivocate the two is absurd.

    That would be equivalent with saying adults have faith that there is no Santa. Does it take faith to know Santa is not real? Is a child going from one faith position to another when the child stops...
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    If faith is a conviction of truth in spite of a...

    If faith is a conviction of truth in spite of a lack of evidence to support a justified conviction, to lack conviction when there no evidence to support a conviction takes no faith.
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    Holding a belief that there are no gods just...

    As in a belief, of varying strengths among the holders, albeit usually quite strong, that there is no god. In other words, that there probably isn't.

    As a worldview, that the world (probably)...
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    As a lack of conviction in the existence of a God...

    I'm fine with calling atheism a belief, and a worldview.[/QUOTE]

    As a lack of conviction in the existence of a God or gods?
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