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  1. It makes things interesting once you bring names...

    And Shakespeare, Voltaire, Adam Smith, John Locke, Karl Marx, Mark Twain, etc.

    Although it is humorous the number of Christians who mistake quotations from Shakespeare for Bible quotes. (they seem...
  2. I'd replace read with study. That is, study the...

    I'd replace read with study. That is, study the bible as well as Christianity as a unified whole. It's too easy to just read a book and think we know something about it, without gaining more insight...
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    That's fair and I fully understand your...

    That's fair and I fully understand your perspective as well as the intent of zen. Truthfully, the use of divine comes from me, for the most part, although I tend to be liberal with how I use words....
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    Satori (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satori). ...

    Satori.

    I'd say Satori is the essence of it - it comes from within yourself and your new experiential relationship with the world, rather than impinging on you.
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    It's been a number of months since I went through...

    I don't think I've ever read anything about "the divine" in any of the Zen books I've read. Can I ask where you got that?[/QUOTE]

    It's been a number of months since I went through Suzuki's...
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    Acceptance and Commitment Therapy and Zen...

    Acceptance and Commitment Therapy and Zen Buddhism
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    That's partly what I was getting at and why I...

    That's partly what I was getting at and why I mentioned Acceptance and Commitment Therapy.

    If you take those two constructs: Zen and ACT, they both have similar goals of relieving suffering and...
  8. Spirituality was never the domain of religion,...

    Spirituality was never the domain of religion, religion was the domain and vehicle for our spirituality. So yes, spirituality will continue existing where religion doesn't.
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    My two cents - Zen and Christianity approach the...

    My two cents - Zen and Christianity approach the divine in a similar way. In the former we have a unified, ego-less whole, in the latter we have a unified whole which is dictated by God. In the...
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    I get the gist of your post, although having...

    I get the gist of your post, although having studied most religions I'd say Buddhism, and particularly Zen, is on to something, more so than most other religions. I wouldn't call it superior to...
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    That's a good point and I'd agree. Eastern...

    That's a good point and I'd agree. Eastern philosophy is great at finding us contentment, Western philosophy makes us better at playing the game. Both goals are necessary and even though they're...
  12. There is should and then there is what is. Why...

    There is should and then there is what is.

    Why should a republican, living in a deeply red state spend time and energy changing their views, only to be outcast by their family and friends? Spend...
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    I think you've misunderstood my definition of...

    I think you've misunderstood my definition of thinking as being biological, versus ontological, about the process, not the content. I'd agree with you that physiologically every person's brain...
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    The Eastern Way of Thinking

    I was reading through The Way of Zen by Alan Watts this weekend and he had a nice spiel on the Eastern way of thinking, and the fundamental differences between Western and Eastern style philosophy. I...
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    I picked up The Way of Zen by Alan Watts this...

    I picked up The Way of Zen by Alan Watts this weekend, because it outlined the history of Zen and it's Taoist as well as Buddhist roots. Good read and nice to see some writing on the Taoist side of...
  16. Thread: RETRIBUTIVISM

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    Maybe as a behavior they have an independent...

    Ok, but maybe calling forgiveness the flexibility not to punish is robbing it of being something in its own right, as it were. As would, I think, calling cooperation merely the flexibility not to...
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    I'd say it's still selected for, but after a...

    There was most definitely a time in the human past when rational observation and logic were very much selected for. That may not be so much the case anymore as we have overcome many of the direct...
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    IMO I'd forget any notions of evolution and good...

    I generally agree, and good example at the end there. How about if it's not a boyfriend but a cheating husband that you already have children with. Then, forgiveness, even unconditional forgiveness...
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    In a world where we're essentially trying to...

    In a world where we're essentially trying to survive and reproduce, the tit-for-tat strategy makes sense. People who contribute to society and personal relationships typically get a return, people...
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    Yea, talking about which brain is better is...

    I'm not arguing that everyone is "the same". I am arguing that people disagreeing with you about shit is not evidence that your brain works better than theirs.[/QUOTE]

    Yea, talking about which...
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    This is what The Blank Slate addresses. That we...

    It's really interesting, isn't it, that given the vast differences among people wrt to their outward appearance we think their all the same where we cannot see. This must have to do with needing...
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    So last year I skipped the entire regular season...

    So last year I skipped the entire regular season and only tuned in for the playoffs which turned out well. With the division winners being largely predictable, the MLB makes a pretty good analogy...
  23. Bumping this one so it doesn't get lost.. I...

    Bumping this one so it doesn't get lost..

    I don't think anyone is trying to mischaracterize your views, they just have a different opinion that understanding tends to have a consistent, positive...
  24. I don't think anyone is trying to mischaracterize...

    I don't think anyone is trying to mischaracterize your views, they just have a different opinion that understanding tends to have a consistent, positive impact. Both goals are the same - minimizing...
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    You should pick up The Blank Slate by Pinker....

    My basic assumption when it comes to the mind is that, barring tangible evidence of physiological disfunction, it is the same in all human beings regardless of cultural, national, or religious...
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