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  1. I did no such thing. Claiming an accurate...

    No: your dishonest framing of the consequence is what I find grubby. You framed it as if the policy I preferred was chosen on the race of the people favoured. [/quote] I did no such thing. ...
  2. There you go again with these baseless...

    There you go again with these baseless accusations. Y

    I accurately described a consequence of your preferred policy. It appears that consequence embarrasses you.


    That...
  3. No, it is not. It is a consequence of what you...

    No. That is the exact opposite of what I've been arguing. [/quote] No, it is not. It is a consequence of what you are arguing.
    Right, and if Vermont had chosen your preferred policy, a less at...
  4. No need repeat it - every one gets it: you prefer...

    Yes, I realise that to be true of all the priority groupings and I have not denied it. There are some 65 year olds more at risk than some 75 year olds. I never suggested that everyone in a priority...
  5. We've gone over this that within any two groups...

    It is my opinion that the State should not discriminate by race in the distribution of life-saving bennies over which it has exclusive control. There are facts about the overall risk of Vermont's...
  6. Never said it did. Try again. As usual,...

    Never said it did. Try again.

    As usual, you were wrong.

    How is that relevant in distinguishing between fact and opinion?


    You admitted your position is an opinion. Apparently,...
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    Looking at US history, as a generalization about...

    Looking at US history, as a generalization about white people as a group it is consistent with the notion that it was "OK" for white people to either enslave or discriminate against black people for...
  8. There are numerous shades of meaning for...

    There's nothing arbitrary about it. Arbitrariness is the quality of being "determined by chance, whim, or impulse, and not by necessity, reason, or principle". I told you my principles and my...
  9. As a general principal, I think that free speech...

    As a general principal, I think that free speech should not override the safety of others. lI think the real issue is the implementation of that principal, especially with the definition of what...
  10. So, Vermont's policy was unfair because it does...

    I'll contrast it with a scenario where it would not be unfair. If there was
    * a link between genetic predisposition and COVID sickness and death, and
    * the specific genetic markers are known, but...
  11. Assuming your ambiguous claim that State...

    Because Vermont discriminated by race. [/quote] Assuming your ambiguous claim that State discrimination is almost always unfair is true, you need to explain how Vermont's policy in this case is...
  12. Assuming that ambiguous claim is true, how is...

    Because the State discriminating by race is almost always unfair. [/quote] Assuming that ambiguous claim is true, how is relevant in this case.

    Whether or not a policy is justified is a value...
  13. I made no claim about who or who does not pay the...

    I dislike corporate income tax, period. In the end it just gets passed on to the consumer and thus it's a regressive tax.[/QUOTE] There is no consensus that a corporate income tax is passed on to...
  14. Why? In the past in the US, race discrimination...

    Why? In the past in the US, race discrimination in the US was to deny people of color something. This was not the case in this situation.
    That is your biased opinion, not a fact.
  15. Just like these protest often end up with the...

    That BLM and left wing “protests” often end in violence and property destruction. Only a coincidence.[/QUOTE] Just like these protest often end up with the police attacking peaceful protesters is...
  16. It will always be the case that someone in the...

    I do not know where you have conjured the '21 times greater risk'. This fact sheet from Vermont shows white people have a rate of 332.3 per 10,000 while black people have a rate of 855.9 per 10,000....
  17. What is (or is not) a "coincidence"?

    Right. It’s just a coincidence.[/QUOTE] What is (or is not) a "coincidence"?
  18. Keep telling yourself that. There is no need...

    I do not blame #BLMers for everything. I blame them for #BLM riots.



    I am not minimizing it, but I am also not exaggerating its importance. [/quote] Keep telling yourself that.
    There is no...
  19. That statement is a perfect example that you are...

    I can't be mistaken about what I think I think.[/QUOTE] That statement is a perfect example that you are mistaken. The mind is still a mystery. Most people do not fully understand themselves (me...
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    You do realize that may reflect more on the...

    You do realize that may reflect more on the audience (in this case you) than on the arguments.
  21. You pulled that one right out of your ass. ...

    The gap is much lower than the gap between BIPOC and white people. According to your standards, the BIPOC was not sufficient for differential treatment. So why bring up the gender gap?[/QUOTE]
    ...
  22. The gap is much lower than the gap between BIPOC...

    You chose that example out of all the possible ones. There was no evidence of which I am aware that men were more wary of getting vaccinated than women (the wariness of vaccinations was one reason...
  23. Sure Jan. Keep telling yourself that.

    No, you inferred I was worried about discrimination against white men in particular in the vaccine distribution. Your inference is false. Move on. [/quote] Sure Jan. Keep telling yourself that.
  24. As usual, you miss the point. In any...

    No.

    What we were advocating is a priority list based on risk. What Vermont did with race put lower risk people ahead of higher risk people, thus it killed people. And note there's no good reason...
  25. There is no consensus that a corporate income tax...

    Charging a tax on the borrowings is unnatural; and taxing wealth has disadvantages. But, if the wealth has the form of shares in a profitable corporation, then there is a simple approach which...
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