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    Assuming so. Despite my previous post (intended...

    Assuming so. Despite my previous post (intended with a hint of irony), I'm just as curious as you.
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    However in your view of the universe at least......

    However in your view of the universe at least...

    You can see the handywork of the simulaton creator - giving you the idea.
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    Welcome Crum to the forum. I would agree to some...

    Welcome Crum to the forum. I would agree to some of the above .... although I wouldn't say that those who trully believe, would necessarily just "say anything" (being dishonest or telling lies) just...
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    Interesting "technique." Perhaps those people who...

    Interesting "technique." Perhaps those people who became Christians, were half-way-there believers in the first place. Regarding the WTC. There are ALL types of people - To note, it's some of both...
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    Probably not taking serious the bits about...

    Probably not taking serious the bits about serious scientific experiments.
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    Interesting points from M. Egnor on materialism:...

    It seems there are a few different types of "dualism"... I was talking about the observers and matter being totally separate... perhaps it is a combination of idealism and materialism?[/QUOTE]
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    That particular section that you quote is a...

    That particular section that you quote is a different debate from the "unfathomable" one ...well spotted!
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    The things known to exist.. well yes and there is...

    Nobody in those quotes is talking about an indemonstrable entity. Their subjects are the universe, computing ability, atomic clocks. These are known to exist. God is not.[/QUOTE]

    The things known...
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    "Stopping discussion." Not sure why you're saying...

    Hmmm. You’ll notice none of those people used it as a one word answer intended to stop discussion, the way you did. I mean, yoou literally posted just the one word as an argument.[/QUOTE]
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    Ah ok. I suppose I could agree with ruby sparks...

    So this part is always so interesting to me.

    “Unfathomable”
    But here you are describing personalities, intent, prior life, unverified actions. All the Christians do that. And I sort of blink...
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    Should be "quite easy to put it all to bed" then,...

    Should be "quite easy to put it all to bed" then, but I think some of you prefer to continue on, for the love of debating ;)
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    Fair to say, some of you have some pretty unique...

    Fair to say, some of you have some pretty unique ideas yourselves.
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    .............. G) Unfathomable

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    G) Unfathomable
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    Make stuff up? lol this is typical of your...

    You don’t get to make stuff up.
    Also, why are you refusing to discuss the KCA with wiploc? Why are you derailing and dodging to this “oh, and after we’re done with KCA, I’m going to insist that it...
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    Absolutely, I concur. Living things grow old and...

    Thats one use of timeless that you portray which I'll acknowledge as a fair point of view..as according to your particular philosophy.

    Timeless also means NOT affected by any time or change...
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    Why should I pick the underlined when the context...

    So, which is it? You really must pick one or the other.

    If time started at the universe's creation, then godguy existing before time means timeless-as-in-no-time, thus no change.[/QUOTE]

    Why...
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    Thats one use of timeless that you portray which...

    Thats one use of timeless that you portray which I'll acknowledge as a fair point of view..as according to your particular philosophy.

    Timeless also means NOT affected by any time or change...
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    Is there a point when the universe started to...

    He may think he is saying that but he isn't. We are in the "Big Bang" now. The Big Bang model describes the expansion of the universe as it is now observed. The BBM doesn't describe a 'beginning'....
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    I think Lion probably means AFTER considering and...

    Weird... So if you saw a billiard ball on a table start moving 'by itself' your firm conclusion would be that god moved it?

    You wouldn't even consider that it was possibly a gust of wind, a small...
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    I'm not the only one, in context to that, which...

    My ceilings aren't higher, it's just that my floors are lower. Word play is fun.

    Only Learner has been willing to say what he means by "began to exist," which is "arranged." But because...
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    Mentioning the biblical God viewpoint, according...

    Mentioning the biblical God viewpoint, according to the bible ... humans & animals on earth, are alone! Ironically, finding any existence of aliens or intelligent life-forms being out there would be...
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    Cheers, I'll answer... Science itself was a...

    Can you explain it to me?

    I know how to understand the linked article, and read it. I understand it to mean there has been some sexism in scientific circles. So, I understand the information in...
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    It's strange coming from you two, calling out...

    It's strange coming from you two, calling out "dishonesty" and still .....you both persist on with the nonsense about "avoiding" your question asking " what do you mean about women in science?" Not...
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    You're in error. You can't be saying "no...

    You're in error. You can't be saying "no scientists at all" are saying that, are you?



    It maybe a misrepresentation of ALL scientists but then thats not what I'm debating about.



    Is...
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    Hmmm, that's why I say it will depend on the...

    Excellent illustration of two different mental frames, a point I attempted to make with remez. In short, we are what we know. A former workmate is an excellent automotive mechanic, and you might...
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