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    1. Better also doesn't mean good. Neither of us...

    Logic. When species (biologically) or societies (culturally) evolve in ways that run counter to the good of the species they tend towards extinction. It simply makes sense. How can it be any other...
  2. The new pope has an oddly forward-thinking...

    This is quite distressing to the evangelical crowd.



    Long and stupid story short, the writer of the article is aghast that he'll have to spend eternity with people who told him he was full of...
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    1. why not? 2. What does that prove? I think...

    Gee man... no it isnt[1], and that is why we helping people during catastrophies.[2] Not because of some sky-dad.[3][/QUOTE]

    1. why not?

    2. What does that prove? I think its a stretch to assume...
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    What exactly do you think this thread is about?...

    Well, humans are arguably a bit of an exception, and more intraspecies-nasty than most. Kinda odd, if made in the image of a perfect god, but there you go. Maybe the big elf in the sky had a reason...
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    reasonable as in logically sound. Rational. And...

    No it isnt. Why do you believe it is?
    And it is not our instincts to do so. So why would we?[/QUOTE]

    reasonable as in logically sound. Rational. And it is! Valuing yourself and the things/people...
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    1. What do you base this assertion on? European...

    It works until it doesn't. In nature it leads to extinction.[1] In society it leads to new laws and regulations, unrest, activism, and revolution. I'd rather put my faith in the might of an informed...
  7. If we can maintain a global(near global?) network...

    So continue to subsidize it. What does it matter how many America points we throw at it if it secures the future of our planet? All the money we throw at useless fruitless wars and we can't subsidize...
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    What works for "Me" is not the same as what works...

    There are obviously many reasons to act in the interest of society. Hell, it works pretty well for the rest of the natural world. Cultural values are based on what works. Corporate values tend to do...
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    Religion absolutely should have a purpose. And I...

    Okay. I understand that by "nothing" you meant an absence of religion.

    Should not religion have purpose? My religious upbringing stressed that religion should make us into better people. It was...
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    I'm not really sure how to come at this exactly...

    I'm not really sure how to come at this exactly there's a lot to unpack.

    The idea of painting the world through a human lens is sort of an inescapable part of your being, wouldn't you say? As if...
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    Ruby Sparks is a nazi who hates babies puppies...

    Am I? Or is that an accusation and not a question?[/QUOTE]

    In English, the adverb 'maybe' usually indicates possibility.[/QUOTE]

    Ruby Sparks is a nazi who hates babies puppies and candy and...
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    Tbf "Alive" was probably never meant to apply to...

    I don't think broad categorizations are necessarily meant to apply to your aunt as an individual but as a human being in the general sense so I wouldn't say those old definitions are invalidated by...
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    Or a state of autonomous determination.

    I don't think broad categorizations are necessarily meant to apply to your aunt as an individual but as a human being in the general sense so I wouldn't say those old definitions are invalidated by...
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    Am I? Or is that an accusation and not a question?

    Am I? Or is that an accusation and not a question?
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    Maybe, but then he isn't here. So calm yourself.

    My karate instructor would probably disagree with you on that.[/QUOTE]

    Maybe, but then he isn't here. So calm yourself.
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    You're making a looooot of assumptions right now.

    Look. I understand what you're saying. Life sucks, and you'd like something imaginary to help you float your boat a little higher above the waves before the worms get you. Superstitious woo is good...
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    Your combativeness does you no credit.

    I'm sorry, but I usually only talk with woo-heads regarding their woo when they can at least fucking spell.

    It's brief, not breif.[/QUOTE]

    Your combativeness does you no credit.
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    1. k 2. Not stabbing each other is the bare...

    Some peoples likes woo. Big deal.[3][/QUOTE]

    1. k

    2. Not stabbing each other is the bare bones basics of sociability that while important, is not in itself a basis for a complex modern society...
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    Successfully according to who's estimation? What...

    Fundamentally, socialism is separating the control of the assets from the demonstrated ability to control them successfully.

    As such, it will never do remotely as well as capitalism.

    (Note that...
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    No, saying something is "Tuned" expressly...

    Saying the universe was 'finely tuned' requires by necessity a tuner. The universe may have created conditions for life but there's no reason to assume this wasn't just random chance.[/QUOTE]

    Yes...
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    Nifty but I'd have hoped for something a little...

    Nifty but I'd have hoped for something a little more involved than a tri-annual convention. Neo paganism is pretty neat too but kindof a mixed bag. Depends on the individual tenants of a group but I...
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    I don't think it's fair to call it a strawman...

    "All the gods, all the heavens, all the hells, are within you." Joseph Campbell

    The only gods worth even discussing at all are the only ones that exist and they are thge ones within us, our...
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    I don't think broad categorizations are...

    Slightly off-topic but is the biological definition philosophically insufficient?[/QUOTE]

    There is no single 'biological definition' of life.

    Biologists use a variety of definitions, none of...
  24. So continue to subsidize it. What does it matter...

    That's what's been happening, but it has been a gradual process, not an instantaneous one.

    This comment is like someone a century ago asking what was so great about horseless carriages when large...
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    Slightly off-topic but is the biological...

    Dude! Did you even read the rest of my post? "God" doesn't need to be anywhere in the probability equations. The universe also can't be scientifically described as "finely tuned" for life without...
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