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  1. Thread: COLOUR

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    Most brain processes don’t involve consciousness,...

    Most brain processes don’t involve consciousness, some do (at least if a threshold is crossed) including this one.



    It depends what you mean by mimicry. I ask you again about pain. Is pain in...
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    I wasn’t being entirely serious.

    How do you know that?[/QUOTE]

    I wasn’t being entirely serious.
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    If world population stopped increasing today,...

    I'm sorry, but it's really not.

    It's true even if you find it impossible to believe.

    Lots of people do find it impossible to believe, because in their early life they were convinced (often...
  4. If coronavirus disproportionately affected stupid...

    If coronavirus disproportionately affected stupid people........
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    I guess the main thing is that she didn't have...

    I guess the main thing is that she didn't have sex with him after he caught it.
  6. Thread: COLOUR

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    I agree so far. I would say it is...

    I agree so far.



    I would say it is experienced as pain (when it is consciously experienced I mean, not all noxious stimuli appear to cross that threshold). It may also be categorized.


    ...
  7. Thread: COLOUR

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    Because the light energy contains (or is) useful...

    Because the light energy contains (or is) useful information about the world. It doesn't itself need to have colours, just as electricity doesn't have to have the property of pain in it, but can...
  8. Thread: COLOUR

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    Sorry koy. My blooper. :( I'll redraft my...

    Sorry koy. My blooper. :(

    I'll redraft my reply to your original post now. I mistakenly thought that you, like Fromderinside, were saying that colours exist in light itself.
  9. Thread: COLOUR

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    Colour existing independently of organisms...

    Colour existing independently of organisms experiencing it appears to be as unnecessary for explanations as is pain existing independently of organisms experiencing it.
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    I’m sorry, but that’s just nonsense.

    I’m sorry, but that’s just nonsense.
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    I presume chewy.com have restocked. (I promise...

    I presume chewy.com have restocked.

    (I promise I will stop reusing that gag very soon)

    Now, can I tempt you with something vintage and special......

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    26876 I swear I didn't touch it.

    26876

    I swear I didn't touch it.
  13. Thread: COLOUR

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    One way of trying (in broad conceptual terms) to...

    One way of trying (in broad conceptual terms) to form a bridge between (a) the external stimuli (wavelengths/energies) and (b) the electro-chemical impulses in the brain, would be to say that the...
  14. Thread: COLOUR

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    I don't understand the evolution of the eye...

    I don't understand the evolution of the eye enough to say how much of it involved mutation, but if we merely said that eyes have evolved to detect and respond to different, uncoloured stimuli in the...
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    26857 General downward trend for new cases in...

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    General downward trend for new cases in Italy.

    Up until end of yesterday.

    It would be encouraging if today's numbers fell below 4k.
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    26854 I swear I didn't touch it.

    26854

    I swear I didn't touch it.
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    I've been wondering. A friend of mine hasn't been...

    I've been wondering. A friend of mine hasn't been having any sex whatsoever with his wife for many years. Given the coronavirus crisis, is it safe for me to continue?
  18. Thread: COLOUR

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    You should start a thread on the topic of...

    You should start a thread on the topic of opacity. :)
  19. I would go along with that. Very much so. ...

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    I would go along with that. Very much so.

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    I'm not sure I would go along with that. I don't think we use logic as much as we might like to think. I'd say we use emotion a...
  20. Thread: COLOUR

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    Then we may not disagree much. And I also...

    Done. As with all conscious experiences, in the brain.[/quote]

    Then we may not disagree much.

    And I also meant (though on that occasion didn't say) only in the brain (ie there are no colours,...
  21. Thread: COLOUR

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    I came across this, with which I'm certain you...

    I came across this, with which I'm certain you are already familiar, and I found it very interesting. I'm not saying it's directly relevant to the OP claims necessarily.

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    To western eyes,...
  22. Thread: COLOUR

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    The odd thing is that we agree on so much (the...

    The odd thing is that we agree on so much (the absence of free will for example, the illusion of self, etc). I can even (as I said before) admire your reductionism (I would call myself a...
  23. Thread: COLOUR

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    It does. It specifies a certain type of...

    It does. It specifies a certain type of experience, associated with and resulting from certain patterns of behaviour. And you know, as directly as you can know anything at all, that it exists,...
  24. Thread: COLOUR

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    Your editing didn't make anything clear at all,...

    My editing in the definition of experience makes clear that when conscious is used it is documented behavior by a humans or society.[/QUOTE]

    Your editing didn't make anything clear at all, it was...
  25. Thread: COLOUR

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    Approximately, yes. Something like that. ...

    Approximately, yes. Something like that.



    You can’t if you’re talking about qualia.[/QUOTE]

    You are essentially saying there are no qualia without an accompanying sense of self. I'm not sure...
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