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  1. Yes. Sometimes their "context" is the verses...

    Yes. Sometimes their "context" is the verses around the quote in question. But often it's another verse in another book written many centuries before or after. So "context" seems to mean their...
  2. When they read a sentence like this, their brains...

    When they read a sentence like this, their brains will replace "police brutality" with "the police serving and protecting us law-abiding property owners".


    Exactly like the people you're talking...
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    28008 Chipping Sparrow 28007 Great Blue Heron...

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    If they were omniscient, they'd know thinking...

    If they were omniscient, they'd know thinking people would need reasons and so they would give them. They'd know only blindfaith believers would fail to ask for reasons.

    I wonder, how can you...
  5. Thread: The God Zoo

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    Totally irrelevant. It's a problem of logic and...

    Totally irrelevant. It's a problem of logic and reason: the logical incompatibility of an all-good, all-powerful, all-present God and the amount of suffering in the world he created.


    No, none of...
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    No. Like Lion IRC you have everything backwards....

    No. Like Lion IRC you have everything backwards.

    The point of "the problem of evil" isn't that the world sucks. Rather, the point is the conditions of our world do not indicate an all-good,...
  7. Thread: The God Zoo

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    Atheists taken action in response to the Bible's...

    Atheists taken action in response to the Bible's stories. I saw a long time ago that the Bible's ugly tales must result in either 1) disbelief or 2) blindfaith bullshitting. I chose #1.

    The only...
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    NM. DBT's on the same basic point.

    NM. DBT's on the same basic point.
  9. Cab Driver: There are many streets to the museum....

    Cab Driver: There are many streets to the museum.
    Passenger: There is only one street to it!
    Cab Driver: Really, there are several streets that'll get you there.
    Passenger: No there isn't!
    Cab...
  10. The difficulty that fundy theists have is a...

    The difficulty that fundy theists have is a stubborn incomprehension of the opponent's reasoning. Whatever the opponent says goes through a warping process and then its that warped version of his...
  11. Thread: The God Zoo

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    Theists can't make mythology and philosophy work...

    Theists can't make mythology and philosophy work together.

    On one hand, there are the temporal events and a god's alleged actions in the world told in some tribal people's ancient tales.
    On the...
  12. My optimistic view is that most don't have to....

    My optimistic view is that most don't have to. Individuals were not each a light unto themselves when, a few centuries ago, some Dead White Males changed how the world thinks. Following the leader is...
  13. At first I was tempted to argue that a suspension...

    At first I was tempted to argue that a suspension of disbelief in a fantasy movie isn't the same as heartfelt prayers to God. Also that a person can't invest belief and withhold belief at the same...
  14. I get consolatory benefits, even blissful states...

    I'm not an atheist for rational reasons. I do think that my atheism can be supported rationally. But so does anybody who has any belief. But when I've sat down to introspect and examine my atheism......
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    God commanded the slaughter in those verses. ...

    God commanded the slaughter in those verses.

    An impartial reader would not conclude God thinks war is horrible.


    Keeping some context in mind, the Bible clearly states the slaughter is God...
  16. They have important concerns about people with...

    They have important concerns about people with really stupid values trying to get across the CSS divide. I'm on secular activism's side in that, for sure.

    My main interest in religion is the...
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    The point was not that context doesn't matter....

    The point was not that context doesn't matter. The point was that the context never makes Bible-God seem good or any other thing the theists claim more context or interpretation will do. The further...
  18. Oxygen is harmful. Food's harmful. The sun is...

    Oxygen is harmful. Food's harmful. The sun is harmful.

    <broad category> + "is harmful" = too vague to be either true or false.

    It's T.G.G. Moogly's claim "Scientific curiosity killed the...
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    It's interesting that the bible-believers think...

    It's interesting that the bible-believers think all there is to explaining the bible to atheists is simply to re-tell the tale with some extra details thrown in ("interpretation", "context"). Even...
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    Treedbear, I'm thinking you're saying...

    Treedbear,

    I'm thinking you're saying something very important about how behaviors towards animals reflect on us.

    But consider also how humans putting our own interests first reflects on how...
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    Kant had the idea that animals don't matter in...

    Kant had the idea that animals don't matter in themselves, because they don't reason and are not autonomous. They're not an "end in themselves" but (exactly as with Aquinas) their end use is for...
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    But, was it a beloved pet? You're substituting...

    But, was it a beloved pet? You're substituting granny for the dog for emotional effect.

    I consider these 2 basic questions: 1) is a sentient being having its interest in staying alive and healthy...
  23. Thread: The God Zoo

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    Could be more interesting than the blindfaith...

    Pantheism is mentioned in the list in the OP, but I don't believe it's actually been discussed in this thread. I could be wrong - I haven't followed the thread as closely as I should have. Care to...
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    Also, pointing at something in nature and saying...

    Also, pointing at something in nature and saying "that's because of characters here in this book" is still nothing but a statement of faith in the book.
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    That's not my opinion. The gist of everything...

    That's not my opinion. The gist of everything I've said is simply that a story shouldn't be so self-referential or circular like the "Bible says so" type justifications.

    There are better, truer...
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