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  1. Her perspective is not especially unusual for a...

    Her perspective is not especially unusual for a modern theologian, especially not at Union, which is known for hosting quite a range of students and faculty from the very orthodox to the entirely...
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    Are you two arguing against an imaginary opponent?

    Are you two arguing against an imaginary opponent?
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    "Ever-lasting" is definitely not a good...

    "Ever-lasting" is definitely not a good translation. Anaeon (the word in question) is a statement of quality, not a measure of duration. An aeon was an Age, or Lifespan, an extended but limited...
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    There are certainly precedents in Hebrew...

    Again, I am not in a position to knowledgeably assess, but those seem like good candidates also.

    So, I'm wondering...how much of the former (the proto-marxist content if you like) was brand new...
  5. Oh, I was born old. I like shooting the breeze on...

    haha I will never forget what an older woman who I worked with, told me when I was 17 and working at my very first job. I was always wishing that my shift would be over, so one day she looked at me...
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    If nothing else, I do not think it was common in...

    If nothing else, I do not think it was common in the Hellenistic world to put "the last first, and the first last"; this is very contrary to what had been the normal way of thinking about power and...
  7. I'll let you know if I'm ever tempted to age.

    I'll let you know if I'm ever tempted to age.
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    I note that many of Jesus' teachings have become...

    I note that many of Jesus' teachings have become popular phrases that many use in navigating their moral and social lives - "turn the other cheek" "the measure you give is the measure you get" "a...
  9. You've clearly never had Satan for a father.

    Pretty sure Satan would totally defend his Antichrist.[/QUOTE]

    You've clearly never had Satan for a father.
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    Aside from, of course, actual textual support.

    Aside from, of course, actual textual support.
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    A statement which you have made several times but...

    A statement which you have made several times but have not, yet, been able to convincingly quantify.
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    Again with the dubious "clearly". Clearly to you...

    Again with the dubious "clearly". Clearly to you and to other conservative Western theologians, sure. But that is because you are interpreting based on the assumptions you already have, rather than...
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    If it doesn't mention God, I don't see how it is...

    I would of course not go along with that.[/QUOTE]

    If it doesn't mention God, I don't see how it is relevant.
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    No, it was about the verse that you claimed as...

    No, it was about the verse that you claimed as support for your position. So I discussed why I disagreed. I continue to stand by my original statement, which you have not been able to contradict with...
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    I propose that we take as given that the Jude...

    I propose that we take as given that the Jude passage is also irrelevant, since you conceded as you were introducing it that it doesn't explicitly mention God.
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    Are you even reading before posting? Look at your...

    Irrelevant. You said that in the NT, god was not supposed to be the source of suffering, that’s all.

    You were incorrect. It is amazing that you could make that interpretation of the NT.[/QUOTE]
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    You're responding there to a post about the John...

    Irrelevant. You said that in the NT, god was not supposed to be the source of suffering, that’s all.

    You were incorrect. It is amazing that you could make that interpretation of the NT.[/QUOTE]
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    We aren't discussing "the God of the NT", but...

    We aren't discussing "the God of the NT", but rather what the NT says about God. So far, you haven't produced a single phrase of evidence to support what you claim is "obvious" about the text,...
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    So you admit that your own proposed piece of...

    Irrelevant. You said that in the NT, god was not supposed to be the source of suffering, that’s all.

    You were incorrect. It is amazing that you could make that interpretation of the NT.[/QUOTE]
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    So you concede that Matthew 25 is not evidence in...

    You are very confused. Not only did I not mention Matthew 25, but it was cited, by someone else, after what you said about the NT.[/QUOTE]

    So you concede that Matthew 25 is not evidence in favor...
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    Just admit that you were wrong about Matthew 25...

    Wrong.

    Am I to take it that when you explicitly say the NT does not say something, that you don’t in fact mean the NT?

    Are you in fact being honest here?[/QUOTE]

    Just admit that you were...
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    "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life,...

    "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them." ~John 3

    So this passage does not actually reference an afterlife at...
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    We were discussing Matthew 25, which you claimed...

    Except that we weren't discussing a particular book.

    From page 3, where this mini-farce started:



    It's just not the case.

    So, having finally, after an unnecessarily long discussion,...
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    That's in a different book than the one we were...

    I previously quoted John 3 verse 36.[/QUOTE]

    That's in a different book than the one we were discussing...
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    The text offers no clear and consistent...

    Are you sure it's me doing that and not you? :)

    Consider me a bit skepitcal that you can keep the two sufficiently separate.



    Ok, so is god, in the NT, supposed to be the source of...
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