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  1. Whatever blending is done it doesn't make the...

    Whatever blending is done it doesn't make the philosophies fundamentally similar. It'd take some reinterpreting to deal with their differences. The fundamental aspects of Buddhist thought that can't...
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    We see the adjective "spiritual" qualifying a...

    We see the adjective "spiritual" qualifying a noun "experience" or "emotion" and then start wondering which experiences and emotions are inherently spiritual and which aren't. IOW, we blur the...
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    I agree. And, to me, it's an important point so...

    I agree. And, to me, it's an important point so I'm going to elaborate a bit...

    If I hike in a park and have a "oneness" experience with nature, where the artificial (delusional, schizoid) line...
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    ETA: Ugh, I withdraw the post. I can't think just...

    ETA: Ugh, I withdraw the post. I can't think just now.

    Basically was saying "yes" to how you can't know the experience of God in a lab is artificial.
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    "We've stimulated the experience of God in the...

    "We've stimulated the experience of God in the lab"... "We've stimulated the experience of God in a church"... How are these different claims? (Answer: the setting's different, and that's all).
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    He's spot-on and it's one of the most important...

    He's spot-on and it's one of the most important topics to discuss and act on. The internet is one of the most dangerous things modernity has come up with.

    It's funny that anyone ever thought the...
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    You talk as if people have a need for God. ...

    You talk as if people have a need for God.


    It's no one's conundrum but yours. You're the one with the need for a stupid-simple answer.

    How is this "God" notion not just being yanked out of...
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    I wouldn't know what exists without my mind....

    Then how do you know what exists without minds? You can't describe it, obviously.[/QUOTE]
    I wouldn't know what exists without my mind. :shrug:

    Your error is you think scientists or atheists...
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    The reality isn't in the explaining. The...

    The reality isn't in the explaining.

    The existence of anything isn't in the seeing of it.
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    This is at the level of stupid with...

    This is at the level of stupid with flat-earthers. It's what they do: "It looks flat to me!" "I took a level up in an airplane and it stayed level!"
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    I suppose if the impeachment were voted in the...

    I suppose if the impeachment were voted in the senate by secret ballot, a few republicans just might vote for removing the president from office.

    Is it possible? Or will McConnell be able to...
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    Because in a sense theism is the absence of...

    Because in a sense theism is the absence of atheism. As people have noted, many believers tend to just believe without needing reasons. The ubiquity of the god-belief limits their options about how...
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    No God is evident. Nature's nothing like would...

    And what would this evidence consist of? I hope you guys aren't believing stuff without evidence.[/QUOTE]

    No God is evident.
    Nature's nothing like would be expected if God existed.
    And the...
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    Atheists can answer that question because there's...

    Atheists can answer that question because there's a universe full of evidence that God does not exist.

    It's just nonstop assertions with you, Half-Life. Don't you have the curiosity to learn about...
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    It might be that the world isn't as we perceive...

    It might be that the world isn't as we perceive it.
    And we can't know what it'd "look like" if there isn't a mind to see.
    So there's no knowing what the big bang looked like, all that long time...
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    Again and again, this confusion about evidence...

    Again and again, this confusion about evidence and knowing. Half-Life keeps insisting there's no evidence for a world independent of minds, but that's false. Our perceptions are evidence.

    We can...
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    I don't really see that as the problem in...

    I don't really see that as the problem in Berkeley's thought. If it's true that I know nothing but my first-person experience, I am more than fine with that.

    So, "things independent of mind" is...
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    That's what Half-Life thinks the...

    That's what Half-Life thinks the materialist's/atheist's position SHOULD be if we were true to strict empiricism the way he thinks we should be. (Strict empiricism = believe only what you directly...
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    Materialism versus immaterialism doesn't matter....

    Materialism versus immaterialism doesn't matter.

    I am VERY aware that I have no direct experience of anything but "my" mind.

    But I don't see how God isn't just a 'placeholder' kind of...
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    Which is why Berkeley was largely forgotten...

    Which is why Berkeley was largely forgotten except as a puzzle in Introductory Philosophy classes to exercise student's brains. That we're the most directly aware of our own experience, and all else...
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    Half-Life, Now relate any of that to the...

    Half-Life,

    Now relate any of that to the thread's topic.

    Do not claim atheism needs the assumption of a material world. It's already been explained that atheism isn't materialism. It doesn't...
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    My first-person experience may be limited to my...

    And he will be proven wrong as soon as you demonstrate how we can get outside of our own minds and examine the "external reality that exists independently of our minds." :wave2:[/QUOTE]
    My...
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    Yeah but whatever stimulated the painful...

    Man, you guys REALLY don't understand Berkeley's point. Pain is only in the mind. All sensations are in the mind.[/QUOTE]

    Yeah but whatever stimulated the painful sensations need not be in the...
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    Good question. I've lived this long in my own...

    exactly how would it change things if they do not?[/QUOTE]
    Good question. I've lived this long in my own mind so... what's the problem again??
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