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    I mean that "just read it in plain English and...

    Yes, I noticed. So why would we - ever - not have a well-considered approach to reading ancient texts?[/QUOTE]

    Nor did I say, or imply, that a well considered approach is not necessary. What is...
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    No True Scotsman is usually considered a logical...

    Ok, I got it now.

    A belief in a few lines of a disjointed inconsistent set of wrings from thousands of years ago saying that some god creatd the Earth and the universe. Any Christian who doubts...
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    Yes, I noticed. So why would we - ever - not have...

    So how do you decide which books we should think critically about, and which we should take at whatever "face value" happens to mean to us, even in translation? Is it just genre?

    I'm not actually...
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    You're fighting against an imaginary foe, that's...

    He’s not. Well maybe he is, I don’t know, but you are, it seems to me.

    The exceptions you’re making are, I think, heavily based on your personal preferences. That’s not a good basis for...
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    So how do you decide which books we should think...

    Do you believe that this is true of all books, that they are all easily understandable and "in plain English" without any need for interpretation on the part of the reader, regardless of their...
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    Do you believe that this is true of all books,...

    Spoken like a true fundy.
    I'm proud of you.
    Here. Have a +rep[/QUOTE]

    The verses say what they say according to the English language. Anyone with a basic understanding of the language can read...
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    I know a lot of Pagans with a fondness for the...

    It doesn't?[/QUOTE]

    REAL witchcraft. That was his concern. Actual fucking witches.[/QUOTE]

    I know a lot of Pagans with a fondness for the series.
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    You mean they say what you say they do quite...

    You mean they say what you say they do quite clearly, even if someone else reads the same verses and comes away with something different. Typical fundamentalist arrogance.
  9. Eh, I'd believe it of the bastard.

    Eh, I'd believe it of the bastard.
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    Okay, now some of those are just dubious...

    Okay, now some of those are just dubious translation...
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    The book of Isaiah overtly claims that God...

    The book of Isaiah overtly claims that God creates both good and evil.

    Isaiah 45:7 King James Version (KJV)
    7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do...
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    Ruby, if you had a substantive point, you'd be...

    Ruby, if you had a substantive point, you'd be making it with quotations, not personal insults.
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    I'm talking about what's in the text, and what...

    Maybe, on the day of judgement, god was going to be away on holiday? In bed with a nasty cold? Just 'not in the mood'? And obviously, there's no way he would send his son to do it.


    Catch...
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    Since you more or less define religion as the...

    Since you more or less define religion as the absence of skepticism, then no. But it has more to do with your heavily biased definition than any quality of really existing people.
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    I'm increasingly convinced that you didn't...

    Given that earlier in the thread while I was taking you seriously, you had trouble acknowledging that it was, effectively, god, or some other supposed magic sky-being (possibly either a personal...
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    Only if you define Christianity as bound to 20th...

    Sensible as in pragmatic? Ok. That's an option. We all need to float our boat as it sails along the mortal coil none of us ever asked to be on.

    But it's cherry-picking, and thus, kind of dishonest...
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    Imagine... accepting the good parts of a...

    I get your point and I agree with the above.



    Like the mistaken idea of identfying-with - which is not the method (for lack better words) for many believers to take the faith because of the...
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    I take it you haven't studied polytheism much!...

    I take it you haven't studied polytheism much! There are certainly other modes of deity besides solemn and all-powerful.
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    One of my favorites. The fallacies he describes...

    One of my favorites. The fallacies he describes in his introductory essays are still very commonly and earnestly made.
  20. This is actually quite an old idea in the...

    This is actually quite an old idea in the anthropology of religion; the idea that animism had been the original form of human religion was first floated by the same person who coined and popularized...
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    I don't see what's so astounding about that. "The...

    Yes. That's what I asked.[/QUOTE]

    None.[/QUOTE]

    WOW[/QUOTE]

    I don't see what's so astounding about that. "The punishment should be equal to the crime" is a legal precedent so old that we...
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    If the consequence of losing is the unremitting...

    If the consequence of losing is the unremitting torture of uncounted billions of people for all eternity, there is no distinction between "losing" and "evil". There are some situations in life in...
  23. Satan is a prosecutor, not a defense lawyer. You...

    Satan is a prosecutor, not a defense lawyer. You need the archangel Michael.
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    I'm baffled as to why the Evangelicals think...

    I'm baffled as to why the Evangelicals think their God is winning at all, when the Devil ultimately gets to keep all His gains in their cosmology. Like yeah, he gets thrown into the Lake of Fire, but...
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    None. All crimes in a just system have a fixed...

    What crime could possibly justify such a sentence?[/QUOTE]

    Yes. That's what I asked.[/QUOTE]

    None. All crimes in a just system have a fixed term of punishment.
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