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    translation: If there's anything in the world...

    translation: If there's anything in the world which is not perfect, or there's any mistake or bad decision by someone, that is proof that there's no free will. In order for there to be free will,...
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    Yes there is consciousness before some of the...

    Yes, and that consciousness in turn stimulates still further brain activity. You keep ignoring this. You keep imagining that the consciousness can't ever influence new brain activity. How are you...
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    Yes I can claim it as anyone can, based on normal...

    You can't claim "it comes out that . . ." if there's no consciousness or experience.[/QUOTE]

    You can't claim that there is conscious[ness] or experience until you've established they are material...
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    My above point about conscious activity is a...

    Brain activity is both episodic and continuous, depending on . . .[/quote]

    My above point about conscious activity is a normal common-sense remark like "rain is usually preceded by clouds in the...
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    No. Let's not obfuscate by combining...

    That's the free-will debunker, actually proving that free will does exist, by establishing that there are influences or causes which act on one's mind and consciousness and motor nerves, so as to...
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    Congratulations! you're about 1/3 or maybe even...

    As pointed out, simply pasting the label 'free will' onto the decision-making ability of a brain does not establish the proposition that decision making is in fact free will.[/quote]
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    So, what's the point? You want something that you...

    So, what's the point? You want something that you won't get. The free will doesn't always get what it wants. We want some things we won't ever get. When we adjust to this, maybe we put our attention...
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    This sounds like a bumbling falling-on-your-face...

    This sounds like a bumbling falling-on-your-face way of saying that no conscious moment can ever happen until AFTER the decision to act (or the act) has already been completed. And so the conscious...
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    You may be right. However, even if there is...

    There are two fundamental problems with these kinds of experiments.

    First is the problem of subjective guessing about invisible events.

    Second is the claim by experimenters to have knowledge...
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    Nawww -- I'd never do that. However you...

    Nope, it's your bias at work, interpreting whatever your opponent says in ways that suit your own needs. Taking what was said and imagining that is something entirely different. In other words, just...
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    However you put it, the information received into...

    However you put it, the information received into the brain, into the consciousness, is used in some way to influence the decision-making, or to change the process of choosing among options. For many...
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    Yes, and then there is more information...

    The brain acquires information, processes that information and selects options based on sets of criteria, representing some of that activity in conscious form.[/quote]

    Yes, and then there is more...
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    I can only speculate what that means. But it...

    I can only speculate what that means.

    But it sounds like: "making response to input primary" = making the first input/flash/impulse the ONLY input, in any selection process, and the first...
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    Like being fixated on the belief that free will...

    Like being fixated on the belief that free will and causality are mutually exclusive, which is disproved by the free-will debunker's own logic, which offers nothing to show how free will must...
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    You've given no reasons to show that...

    You've given no reasons to show that decision-making is not free will as long as consciousness also takes place along with the decision-making. Only when there is no consciousness in the process is...
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    But even if it's true that there is such a gap...

    There is nothing but subjective wild guesses about invisible internal events showing there is this microsecond difference.

    It is not hard evidence.[/QUOTE]

    But even if it's true that there is...
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    consciousness + decision / selection − coercion = free will (free choice)

    What you are successfully conveying is that it's difficult to explain or identify "self" and "free will" -- but you are not conveying that they are "lies" or "misrepresentations" of something. You...
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    So then you are agreeing that free will does...

    I've been saying these things all along, over and over in many different ways. Are you reading or considering what I say, or are you too busy typing walls of text?

    To me it looks like the...
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    Maybe. And one of the so-called "conditions" of...

    Maybe. And one of the so-called "conditions" of the so-called "process" is consciousness, which (in some or most cases) happens partly AFTER so-called "time = t".

    I.e., the consciousness is...
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    We choose how we will respond to all the above. ...

    We choose how we will respond to all the above.




    And my correcting your typos above was my free choice, which was prompted by my former conditioning. It's both a free choice AND is also a...
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    No, you have not measured how much is unconscious...

    What I've done is show that information processing is mostly unconscious and not driven by conscious will . . .[/quote]

    No, you have not measured how much is unconscious and how much conscious,...
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    Please find the time to dig out that research --...

    Please find the time to dig out that research -- Stanford Institute of Biopsychology Neuroscience Brain-Probing Technology -- showing that your brain and mine and everyone else's posting here is...
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    Calling it "research" or "rational sources" isn't...

    Ah. Yet another declaration from a model foreign from even rational sources.

    Show us a bit of research supporting your proclamations. I'm pretty sure you'll find that such as you proselytize come...
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    The phrase "illusions to explain away" spoils...

    The phrase "illusions to explain away" spoils this sentence, turning it from something intelligible into babble. It is nonsensical to call "self" and "free will" illusions and say that they "explain...
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    As long as the only investigations possible are...

    As long as the only investigations possible are those done by the Democrats and/or Republicans (by the Senate or House or other entity run by one party or the other), then we'll never have a real...
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