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    Where'd you get the notion that any of the...

    Why does Trump hate America?[/QUOTE]

    He doesn't. Another lie...[/QUOTE]
    Where'd you get the notion that any of the congresswomen hate America?

    Why do you have two different standards?
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    If I went to McDonald's and said "I hate the gunk...

    If I went to McDonald's and said "I hate the gunk they put on Big Macs!", anyone hitting me with "If you hate McDonald's then leave it" would be illogical and an idiot.

    Also, I hate malls but will...
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    Maybe "relate to the cosmos" sounds too abstract...

    A lack of order is almost central to human suffering, no? I don't disagree, but I think both suffering / order are tightly related concepts. The scary thought for most of us is that this is all...
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    More broadly they relate the individual (or "the...

    More broadly they relate the individual (or "the people" as a society) to the cosmos.

    Zen does this in its non-anthropomorphic way by training a person to re-identify what their self is so they...
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    Gather ye rosebuds while ye may, Old Time is...

    Gather ye rosebuds while ye may,
    Old Time is still a-flying;
    And this same flower that smiles today
    Tomorrow will be dying.
  6. I think they'll take whatever science makes...

    I think they'll take whatever science makes possible, and still emphasize "but it's not ETERNAL knowledge". It's contingent... like all reality outside their fantasies of "other realms".

    You guys...
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    The point of bringing up leprechauns is to say...

    This is an example of missing the point completely. I did not in any way infer that I was arguing the case for leprechauns.[/QUOTE]

    Sorry bout that, It went right over my head. So as a believer...
  8. Is the tree just a stupid piece of shit if a god...

    Is the tree just a stupid piece of shit if a god didn't make it? Or is it still pretty fucking cool even if a god didn't make it?
  9. Wasn't talking about refutations. Everyone uses...

    Wasn't talking about refutations. Everyone uses the metaphors of language. They inform everybody's thought and beliefs. So it's important to not rely too heavily on language to determine how reality...
  10. Half-Life is illustrating why no theist arguments...

    Half-Life is illustrating why no theist arguments have been new to me for about 2 decades. Not in their basics.

    I've been interested in the metaphors in language for a long time, as part of my...
  11. If you won't start a new thread about new ideas,...

    If you won't start a new thread about new ideas, you can't know people are refusing to entertain new ideas. You know most atheists like to focus on fundy-ism. If that's the topic, it's the topic. If...
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    But they could if there were a medieval...

    But they could if there were a medieval theological tradition about fairies, where contriving definitions for contrived beings to get the wanted conclusion, God or whatever other mythic creature,...
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    No it doesn't. That's an effort to keep the...

    No it doesn't. That's an effort to keep the discussion up in the clouds, to avoid the details of the mythology.

    atrib's question to Learner was: "My question relates to why YOU find the Jesus...
  14. In one sense of "know", maybe. I once saw a...

    I think the “someone else” knows exactly what he’s doing.[/QUOTE]
    In one sense of "know", maybe.

    I once saw a person standing by a 4-way stop. She was shouting at people to come to a full stop....
  15. nevermind

    nevermind
  16. The questions clearly imply idiocy. Because...

    The questions clearly imply idiocy.


    Because it takes an incredible degree of stupidity to not know that persuasion is an equal back-and-forth exchange. It's a basic fact of life.



    You are...
  17. Stupid questions. How did you conclude the...

    I agree with you there. What I find most interesting is how (*if you wished to*) you could convince others that your position is right, when those others are just as confident that their own...
  18. Yes. To see what the other atheists say. Also, I...

    Yes. To see what the other atheists say. Also, I like to watch what goofiness comes next from theists. I can't stop wondering at persons that live inside an ancient mythology. It's curious and...
  19. Another vote for (b). With the exclusion of...

    Another vote for (b). With the exclusion of Brian63.
  20. The question that this whole thread brings to...

    The question that this whole thread brings to mind is whether it's obedience and belief that matters, or if it's being Christ-like that matters.

    Proselytizers emphasize belief and obedience. If...
  21. A couple friends and I talked with a ghost with a...

    A couple friends and I talked with a ghost with a Ouija board.



    The planchette moved from letter to letter. And we determined it was a 19 year old woman. She was born near the turn of the...
  22. But there would be texts, arguments by...

    But there would be texts, arguments by santologists, and "Praise Santa" gatherings, if adults supported the Santa story so that people didn't grow out of it.

    Expand the stories, and define Santa...
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    Yeah, it seems to impress them a great deal....

    Yeah, it seems to impress them a great deal. Regardless of how the arguments have been addressed more than adequately many times over already, they seem to imagine that if a long-winded presentation...
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    Ok, so the answer to why you believe Christian...

    It took at least 10 years I'd say... a slooooow gradual process, not so instantly simplistic as the re-phrased may suggest. I did believe God was real eventually but of the lesser kind in the OT (may...
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    I'm not sure I understand. I'll rephrase it and...

    Ah Sorry that should be better said as " not entirely" on the ressurection . The ressurection was the final factor of course by the changes of character of the followers, before and after the...
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