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    The videos are worth watching. Dr. Carrier is an...

    The following books provide an exhaustive list of claims similar to the Jesus resurrection/personal savior story. If you are actually interested in doing your own research, this would be an excellent...
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    The following books provide an exhaustive list of...

    The following books provide an exhaustive list of claims similar to the Jesus resurrection/personal savior story. If you are actually interested in doing your own research, this would be an excellent...
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    No I didn't. That is a blatant misrepresentation...

    No I didn't. That is a blatant misrepresentation of my position, something you do often. In this discussion with you, the only thing I have focused on is the credibility of the proposition that...
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    That's what I thought. You don't actually have...

    That's what I thought. You don't actually have any evidence to support the Jesus resurrection story. And you have nothing to rebut my argument that a naturalistic explanation is more probable than a...
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    No, but you see, he has done all the work. He has...

    No, but you see, he has done all the work. He has studied cosmology and math and concluded that Biblegod created the universe. He has studied the historicity of the Bible, even though he doesn't...
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    I find this hard to believe. What are your...

    I find this hard to believe. What are your sources for this assertion?
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    This is insane. I am NOT debating the...

    This is insane.
    I am NOT debating the proposition : "If a supernatural creator god exists, then it would be reasonable to believe that he could perform miracles".
    Neither am I debating the...
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    You have provided no evidence to support these...

    You have provided no evidence to support these premises. All you have done is call them "facts". The same type of argument could be used to demonstrate the veracity of any number of other stories...
  9. I have a hard time believing you are serious,...

    No it wouldn't. I mean the God of the Bible doesn't make sure people have correct beliefs about whether the Bible says women can be pastors or whether gay sex is ok, etc.


    It is very common to...
  10. You haven't received anything that might be...

    I think the message is about the existence of an intelligent force, its interest in my life and that liberal theism could be true. If the message is much longer than that then it would contradict the...
  11. To excreationist: If an intelligent entity...

    To excreationist:

    If an intelligent entity wanted to contact you, couldn't it do so directly without leaving any room for misinterpretation? And wouldn't that be the preferred way if it wanted to...
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    I am one step ahead of you. I anticipated where...

    I am one step ahead of you. I anticipated where you were going with this and I refused to engage because I knew your argument was a dead end. You were going to argue that the Jesus resurrection story...
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    There are many things I did not touch on, because...

    You are forgetting special pleading. Any of the other religions that claim their god did the same miraculous feats attributed to Jesus proves that those religions are full of shit because such feats...
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    You just don't get it. Let me try to make this as...

    You don't have to grant them as true. How else can you construct an argument if you don't assume your premises are true? Thus my responsibility is to support those premises as true, if their truth...
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    They probably are made up, but there is a...

    From what I can see, it seems to me like he assumes that the stories are true, and asks 'what other explanation could there be?'

    When someone suggests 'it could be made up,' he reads that as 'The...
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    I suspect Remez has seen or read about some...

    Silly Koy. You assess possibilities to determine the conclusions.
    Remez knows to start with the conclusions. That way, possibilities that do not lead to the right conclusions can be eliminated, or...
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    Very true. There is no logical reason I can think...

    I agree. But I want to emphasize that my own interest in sacrifice, in this thread, is just: how does it work?

    'God does miracles like universe-making, so why not this too?' would not be a...
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    Christianity rests on the foundation that a human...

    Christianity rests on the foundation that a human sacrifice was needed to allow God to forgive humans for their transgressions and progress to an afterlife. To understand why this claim exists,...
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    I agree. I wouldn't pay for a new body if it came...

    Learner, just a polite reminder that there is a question pending related to one of your posts. You made certain claims regarding the resurrection story, and I am trying to figure out what you were...
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    Learner, just a polite reminder that there is a...

    I'm skeptical of your interpretive understanding here : zombies, re-animated "walking dead" as opposed to: ressurected, being brought back-to-life, a new body. Can be a little misleading for the...
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    You haven't given me any historical facts. You...

    So this is not a naked assertion. This is an argument…..

    Now THIS is the naked assertion, your made up story, that you keep reciting……………


    So all you are rejecting with your people make...
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    Sounding like a broken record here, but why...

    Sounding like a broken record here, but why should the Jesus resurrection story be considered differently from alchemy? Still waiting for this alleged historical support to be provided. Ignoring...
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    You are misrepresenting what I said. I am...

    You are misrepresenting what I said. I am skeptical because the claim of a resurrected flying corpse is extraordinary. You have agreed that such skepticism is reasonable. By your own admission, my...
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    How do you know that a new body was provided, and...

    I'm skeptical of your interpretive understanding here : zombies, re-animated "walking dead" as opposed to: ressurected, being brought back-to-life, a new body. Can be a little misleading for the...
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    Your question presupposes that god claims are...

    Your question presupposes that god claims are deserving of merit. They are not. They are stories that people made up.

    Believing in a falsehood, no matter how much comfort you get out of it is, is...
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