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    I mean interjecting every now and then the "woo...

    wait, you said a logic failure. Do you just mean 'not taking your side seriously?' That's not a failure of logic. We see no difference between appeals to gifts from Santa Claus and creating from...
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    Why the need to bring up "magic and woo" if you...

    Why the need to bring up "magic and woo" if you (plural) really want a response?



    Are you (plural) capable to put the "woo" terminology aside (mocking for argument) to have any serious...
  3. The conventional - the way believers are supposed...

    The conventional - the way believers are supposed to see of the poor, is usually from the compassionate viewpoint. But you obviously mean something different here by linking the below:.



    By...
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    Remez seems to have added a few notches, to his...

    Well, he does offer reasoning, science and evidence to support his supernatural thinking. He doesn't actually present the evidence, or the reasoning, but I suppose we should just take his word for...
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    The furthest reach I assume.

    Which ones are the earth corner nations?[/QUOTE]

    The furthest reach I assume.
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    God is as according to scripture, or personal...

    It gets sorted out in the end...

    Would you want to live with God in His Kingdom? Some people wouldn't like the idea if it were true. That's what its all about.[/QUOTE]

    What god. What's s/he/it...
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    Come on moogs, porpoise, lowland gorilla ......

    Come on moogs, porpoise, lowland gorilla ... stop it at once.

    "People are not, in fact, the same as one another in terms of the factors described, cultural and social experiences are highly...
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    Indeed He added to them making them even stricter...

    The words attributed to Jesus have him say that he came to uphold the law of the prophets, not abolish them.[/QUOTE]

    Indeed He added to them making them even stricter but at the same time, He gave...
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    Its invention to you because you do not agree...

    If you look at the bible as myth and metaphor then is insight to be had. Job is a great story.

    Jesus died because it was part of the plan is that not so, son of god sacrificial lamb. Biblical...
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    I was responding to the "disbelief and denial"...

    I was responding to the "disbelief and denial" bit.

    (I'm with you BTW on the, make peace not war. And as we see the history, not ALL people (who usually start it) are for it).
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    History shows us a lot more horrors in that war...

    The point Lion is making is that theologically anything can be justified, excused, made acceptable. Theology is politics on steroids.

    The horrors of Auschwitz first became known to the Allies in...
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    You (plural) ask these things of a theists but...

    Exactly.
    We can TRY put a collar and a leash on God but we won't succeed.
    ...hey God, first you gotta obey me and THEN I'll decide whether or not I'll obey you.
    [/QUOTE]The indisputable creator of...
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    Sorry, (not doing a good job) I meant we can't be...

    Sorry, (not doing a good job) I meant we can't be putting God to the test (usually in context to demands by those against or mocking God): Deuteronomy 6:16Luke 4:12 , Matthew 4:6-8.

    We can ask...
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    I know what you mean, been there myself, however...

    I know what you mean, been there myself, however things have progressed a little. The End of Days (please humour me) doesn't begin untill all four corners of the earth has been preached to. It looks...
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    It gets sorted out in the end... Would you...

    It gets sorted out in the end...

    Would you want to live with God in His Kingdom? Some people wouldn't like the idea if it were true. That's what its all about.
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    People were still not convinced and still...

    That was just one aspect about testing the bible. Obviously we can't ask God to give you a miracle then you'd change your mind. [/quote]
    After the 10 Plagues, and the march across the Red Sea, when...
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    That was just one aspect about testing the bible....

    That was just one aspect about testing the bible. Obviously we can't ask God to give you a miracle then you'd change your mind. As I see it and as it is with the scripture, the early Christians never...
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    "the KJV missing a verse here and there" I...

    "the KJV missing a verse here and there" I should say.
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    There IS that bit where it says 'DO NOT add or...

    How can you reasonably be expected to test anything in the Bible? The Bible is supposed to be truth, so if you test and find it not to be truth, then you are a heathen.

    The Bible isn't a...
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    I suppose refusing to test God may mean they...

    Think all those Xians who refuse to 'test god' by praying for evidence He exists know about that part?[/QUOTE]

    I suppose refusing to test God may mean they actually believe He exists. Having...
  21. Well there are a lot of "bits" combined and other...

    Well there are a lot of "bits" combined and other bits stilll being studied will be added to the collection. Mistranslations and biases happens with believers and non-believers alike.

    ( Didn't...
  22. Does sound similar to the 'Sons of God' in...

    Does sound similar to the 'Sons of God' in Genesis.
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    Ok cheers for the link, I couldn't remember where...

    Ok cheers for the link, I couldn't remember where the thread was. I see the context now, the architect and Oracle. (I'll leave it for that thread)
  24. Translation (strongs 5959) is either of these,...

    That's Isaiah 7:14: For this reason the Lord himself will give you a confirming sign.[a] Look, this young woman[c] is about to conceive[d] and will give birth to a son. You, young woman, will name...
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    I haven't yet read entirely, your take on...

    Secular "science" would have the assumption that God is not involved. Then there is the term Creation "Science".[/QUOTE]

    I haven't yet read entirely, your take on simulation. Does it include or...
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