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    Poli, nobody in this thread is suggesting that...

    Poli, nobody in this thread is suggesting that history should be censored, or that we should avoid difficult topics.

    Read the actual bill, it's only 3 pages:...
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    I agree with that - conceptually. The difficulty...

    I agree with that - conceptually. The difficulty is that in many cases, what is being applied in schools actually *is* laying blame on an entire group of people today on the basis of their skin...
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    You are seriously arsoning the hell out of that...

    You are seriously arsoning the hell out of that strawman.
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    There's a fucking difference between "Germany...

    There's a fucking difference between

    "Germany in the 1930s, as a result of <various and complex factors from WWI> and a charismatic but insane leader, Hitler, adopted a belief that was genocidal...
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    Jesus christ, Poli. Teaching history should NOT...

    Jesus christ, Poli. Teaching history should NOT include insinuating that children TODAY are bad people and guilty for what SOMEONE ELSE did before they were even fucking born! WTF is wrong with you...
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    Apparently critical thinking isn't included in...

    I don't particularly care about your preferred "label" on way or the other. You can call youself whatever you like, if you think you can convince anyne. But trying to defend the historiographical...
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    It was a metaphor.

    LMAO at your assumption that social so-called "scientists" have anything akin to a lab.[/QUOTE]

    It was a metaphor.
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    Lol, okay. How exactly are you defining...

    Nope.[/QUOTE]

    Lol, okay. How exactly are you defining "conservative"? I hope it's not "disagrees with me on at least one hyper-progressive position".
  9. It's iffy. A baker would bake a red and black...

    It's iffy. A baker would bake a red and black cake for a wedding, but not for a neo-nazi rally?
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    You know I'm not conservative, right?

    You know I'm not conservative, right?
  11. That's a lot more indirect.

    I can't think of any. I can come up with lots of ways that the state prevents people from expressing messages that they want to express, but not the complement. Can you give me a...
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    Teaching creationism in school is dumb. ...

    I think you two are arguing the academic hypothesis of critical race theory versus the practical application of it.

    Same thing happened with a lot of other academic theories. They're great when...
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    Sure. And how does that violence of the past...

    Teach that in the past, women as a whole were denied the right to vote, based on several assumptions that we no longer hold to be true. Men of the time held that women were not sufficiently educated...
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    Poli, I'm a pretty serious feminist. None of...

    Teach that in the past, women as a whole were denied the right to vote, based on several assumptions that we no longer hold to be true. Men of the time held that women were not sufficiently educated...
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    I think you two are arguing the academic...

    Are you joking? For CRT, focus on race is everything. There are no other explanations. The individualism of the enlightenment is rejected. Thus, I reject CRT.[/QUOTE]

    You simply aren't correct...
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    Teach that in the past, women as a whole were...

    Teach that in the past, women as a whole were denied the right to vote, based on several assumptions that we no longer hold to be true. Men of the time held that women were not sufficiently educated...
  17. I can't think of any. I can come up with lots of...

    I can't think of any. I can come up with lots of ways that the state prevents people from expressing messages that they want to express, but not the complement. Can you give me a ferinstance?
  18. I don't think it counts as uncharitable when that...

    I don't think it counts as uncharitable when that is what the lawyer themself said they were doing.

    Scardina made a point of telling Phillips what the symbolism of the cake was. And it was clear...
  19. Why on earth do you think I should do the work...

    Seriously, perhaps you should read the fucking thread.[/QUOTE]

    Where's the full conversation?[/QUOTE]

    Why on earth do you think I should do the work for you? It's in this thread, it's a post...
  20. I'm not denying that they're discriminating on...

    The government is discriminating by health priorities.[/QUOTE]

    The government is discriminating by age, by race, by presence of health condition, etc.

    Discrimination is not wrong just because...
  21. I'm pretty sure I stallioned the hell out of this...

    You chose to perform for them, despite your objections to their decor. Do you think that you should have the right to make that choice?

    What if they had explicitly told you that the party was to...
  22. Over the past few years, we've had people...

    Customer: Bake me a cake.

    Baker: Okay, what do you want?

    Customer: I want a yellow cake with chocolate frosting, and little red roses on it.

    Baker: Easy enough, when do you need it?
    ...
  23. Fair enough, regarding your overall viewpoint. I...

    Fair enough, regarding your overall viewpoint. I don't necessarily agree, but then I'm a fair bit more 1stAm than some people are. It's that whole "I detest what you're saying, but I'll defend to...
  24. Not a bad idea, actually. At present, a lot...

    Not a bad idea, actually.


    At present, a lot of the transgender things are political too. With respect to the muslim baker, I'm kind of making the assumption that a devout muslim baker would not...
  25. Unter is assuming 1) an innate psychological...

    Wow, that's a lot of reading into Unter's post that wasn't said.[/QUOTE]

    Unter is assuming 1) an innate psychological difference between males and females and 2) that transgender people have the...
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