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  1. Does it do that? Oh gosh, yes, that's what I...

    Personally, I like that ad. I can see how it might offend some. Those who freely choose to wear them for instance.

    But in all honesty, I have limited sympathy, albeit some. I'm not going to...
  2. Personally, I like that ad. I can see how it...

    Personally, I like that ad. I can see how it might offend some. Those who freely choose to wear them for instance.

    But in all honesty, I have limited sympathy, albeit some. I'm not going to...
  3. Another comparison (in the opposite direction)...

    Another comparison (in the opposite direction) might be to consider a case where a woman, perhaps a celebrity, acts in a way that encourages sexual objectification of herself. She is free to do it,...
  4. The turban seems like quite a good comparison....

    The turban seems like quite a good comparison. But for it to be on a par, would we not need a general background where it is associated with being worn under (mostly patriarchal) duress, sometimes...
  5. So a bunch of women in niqabs beat and strangled...

    So a bunch of women in niqabs beat and strangled a woman to death just for suggesting she might dispense with her niqab? And a pregnant woman was whipped and murdered by other women after she spoke...
  6. So on the basis of what we know, you think it...

    So on the basis of what we know, you think it equally possible that either or both of them had a "creep factor"?

    I find that odd. Heading too readily towards victim-blaming even.
  7. So you are, in fact, calling bullshit, more or...

    So you are, in fact, calling bullshit, more or less.



    From the limited facts that we do know, I see no good reason at all to think that she was not very upset and understandably so. I seriously...
  8. Here is the report in The Mirror Newspaper (not...

    Here is the report in The Mirror Newspaper (not normally considered the most reliable or reputable, but hey). There is more detail than in the OP article, but nothing that I can see that helps...
  9. Again, I'll say it seems harsh. Possibly very...

    Again, I'll say it seems harsh. Possibly very harsh. And I say that while agreeing that it was traumatic for the girl.

    And yet, British courts and British Law are not bonkers. They're not American...
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    I believe the perpetrator was convicted of second...

    I believe the perpetrator was convicted of second degree murder (16 shots into the victim's body, wtf?). At least 4 of his colleagues were either disciplined or sacked because of dishonesty during...
  11. Luckily, that's only true in your fevered...

    FIFY[/QUOTE]

    Yes, and blacks should be allowed to only hire blacks if they want.

    This is the free market![/QUOTE]

    Luckily, that's only true in your fevered imagination.
  12. Also worth throwing into the mix, imo, is the...

    Also worth throwing into the mix, imo, is the (still somewhat prevalent even if less so) cultural norm/expectation that the man 'makes the first move'. Some men may merely misjudge what this might...
  13. Suggested list of possible responses, on a sort...

    Suggested list of possible responses, on a sort of scale, to experiencing a certain behaviour by another person that might be relevant here:

    1. I thought it was ok, or nice, or acceptable.
    2. I...
  14. Just on this role reversal thing. Men, it...

    Just on this role reversal thing.

    Men, it seems, are, in the end, much much more willing to consider having sex (even with a complete stranger for instance) than women are.

    "In a classic social...
  15. Of course it doesn't make it okay. I cannot...

    The fact that most guys would not be bothered by being sexually assaulted (are you sure this is true?) does not make sexual assault okay.[/QUOTE]

    Of course it doesn't make it okay.

    I cannot say...
  16. One more thing, one can’t necessarily equate this...

    One more thing, one can’t necessarily equate this with a reverse situation.

    For a variety of reasons, I think it would be less of a problem for most guys if a woman touched them (other than on...
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    I reckon as many men will date or marry different...

    I reckon as many men will date or marry different types of partner.

    It’s as typical (in other words it’s only sometimes true) that men will date a hot woman with a high sex drive but marry someone...
  18. On the face of it, it does seem harsh to label it...

    On the face of it, it does seem harsh to label it sexual assault.

    There may be things we don’t know, that’s all.
  19. So you never accused him, or his...

    So you never accused him, or his position.....or....



    Not that big, really, when you're addressing the individual holding the position like this:



    Way ott, imo. Uncalled for.
  20. There are women, some of whom are also feminists...

    There are women, some of whom are also feminists and some of whom are also Muslim, who go as far as to support a ban on the hijab, which is much further than the OP went.

    As such, acusations of...
  21. FIFY

    FIFY
  22. And then some.

    Idiotic false equivalence.[/QUOTE]

    And then some.
  23. I tend to agree, on the whole. Personally I would...

    I tend to agree, on the whole. Personally I would just add that women should not be criticised or discriminated against merely for wearing it. Otherwise I think responses could cross a line into...
  24. I doubt if that is the case. It isn't here in the...

    I doubt if that is the case. It isn't here in the UK.
  25. "This paper examines the social and political...

    "This paper examines the social and political functions colorblindness serves for whites in the United States. Drawing on interviews and focus groups with whites from around the country I argue that...
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