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    Quote Originally Posted by braces_for_impact View Post

    Well your skepticism isn't founded in this case, as it's been confirmed by several other media outlets, and then confirmed by the White Houe.

    The White House confirmed Thursday night that the conversation between Priebus and FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe occurred on Feb. 15, but said it was McCabe who initiated the contact to inform Priebus that a New York Times report was overstating the nature of their investigation, Politico reported.
    When WW expresses skepticism rather than outright rejection of a story that implicates El Cheato, that's a solid sign that the story is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horatio Parker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Malintent View Post
    I am of the opinion that the only thing standing between us and the collapse of American principles are our Military / Intelligence community. These non-politicians are steeped in Duty and Honor and will not be intimidated by a would-be dictator, internal or external to our nation. Not one single officer would be intimidated in the slightest by fascist threats. They will do their jobs, and do them thoroughly, unbiased, and without concern for anyone's fragile feelings or threats of tantrums. If something fishy is really happening, heads will roll (in court, or on a grassy knoll, either way).
    I consider this a distinct possibility as well. I think it far more likely than a power grab by the "Deep State".
    I have heard the opinion that the so-called "Deep State" IS the Intelligence community keeping things from getting unfixable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by untermensche View Post
    Watergate was about illegally breaking into a psychiatrists office to try to get incriminating evidence.
    You mean "blackmail".
    Nixon went down for a coverup, not ordering the break in.
    Yeah, the funny thing about Watergate is that the systemic rat fucking of the Republican Party was the unbelievably ugly and unethical thing happening. The coverup, which ended a Presidency was bad, but not as big a threat to democracy as was the break-in itself.

    This is about using the Russians to hack into private accounts to try to get incriminating evidence. With the promise of reducing sanctions once in office.

    The only question, and there are no tapes, is what and when did Trump know?
    Communication is digital and we know that the Government records a lot and they record even more with stuff going overseas to shady places like Russia. There may be digital information out there... the US may already have it.

    Somebody has already fallen on their sword over this.

    If all else are faithful that may be as far as it goes.
    Except Trump has done a good job of alienating the Intelligence side of things. So while the Trump Admin can stay tight-lipped, the Intelligence doesn't. And a leak is what brought down Nixon, and I think many more people hate and fear a Trump Admin in DC than those did with a Nixon Admin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malintent View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Horatio Parker View Post

    I consider this a distinct possibility as well. I think it far more likely than a power grab by the "Deep State".
    I have heard the opinion that the so-called "Deep State" IS the Intelligence community keeping things from getting unfixable.
    Trump is compromised. His hard shift towards Russia can't be explained any other way. The question becomes, who knows what, via how. Is the intelligence prosecutable or is it enough to make him resign or do that want to take the traitors down and put them in prison?

    Our nation is in some unprecedented shit right now. Not even 50 days into this Administration and the Intelligence groups are pressing all sorts of panic buttons.

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    Another statement I heard from an informed source is that Obama, at the last second right before vacating the White House, issued an EO (or the like) giving the NSA the ability to disclose findings from investigations directly to the public. It was apparently a surprise to all that he did this, and the reasons were unknown as to why he would suddenly do something like that "out of nowhere".

    Perhaps, now that we are starting to learn more, we can surmise that he saw something and did that to ensure the most trusted people in government have the power to stop massive conspiracies and get around corrupt leadership, in the name of justice, truth, and the American way.

    Does anyone know anything else about that, or know more about this alleged action that Obama took?

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    I heard something like that, but it was about NSA sharing with other agencies. Here it is.





    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/1...nications.html

    Who knows if this has been a factor in the Russiagate story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by braces_for_impact View Post
    So, nefarious or stupid. Everything this administration does falls into those two camps, and often it's hard to tell which clasification any given event it should be placed in. Sometimes it's one or another. Often it's both.
    Tell the difference? Many of them are stupidly nefarious!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blastula View Post
    I heard something like that, but it was about NSA sharing with other agencies. Here it is.





    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/1...nications.html

    Who knows if this has been a factor in the Russiagate story.
    Starting to enter Tom Clancy level intriguing.

    The critical thing to obtain evidence legally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elixir View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by braces_for_impact View Post

    Well your skepticism isn't founded in this case, as it's been confirmed by several other media outlets, and then confirmed by the White Houe.
    When WW expresses skepticism rather than outright rejection of a story that implicates El Cheato, that's a solid sign that the story is true.
    Nothing that has been posted is evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by braces_for_impact View Post

    Well your skepticism isn't founded in this case, as it's been confirmed by several other media outlets, and then confirmed by the White Houe.

    The White House confirmed Thursday night that the conversation between Priebus and FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe occurred on Feb. 15, but said it was McCabe who initiated the contact to inform Priebus that a New York Times report was overstating the nature of their investigation, Politico reported.
    Just what part of anything that has been posted constitutes evidence that CNN accurately reported anything.
    Go back, re read it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malintent View Post
    I am of the opinion that the only thing standing between us and the collapse of American principles are our Military / Intelligence community. .
    Um.....what principles have they been supporting in recent years?
    Kidnapping?
    Torture?
    Lying to congress?
    Illegally obtaining information on US citizens?
    Extra judicial killing of US citizens?
    Spreading faulty intelligence leading to thousands being killed?


    What we see from them is a goal, that they focus on and keep doubling down on, and they are prepared to abandon any principle to achieve it.


    What principles are you referring to?
    Last edited by Will Wiley; 02-25-2017 at 02:22 AM.

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