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    FIRST LOOK: WOULD YOU KEEP TRUMP AS U.S. CEO? — New Bloomberg Businessweek cover: “If America were a company would you keep this CEO?” Bloomberg Editor in Chief John Micklethwait writes “that Donald Trump should be judged on his competency as a chief executive since no president has tried to claim the mantle of CEO-in-chief as completely as Trump.

    http://www.politico.com/tipsheets/mo...bullish-220375

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiprHead View Post
    FIRST LOOK: WOULD YOU KEEP TRUMP AS U.S. CEO? — New Bloomberg Businessweek cover: “If America were a company would you keep this CEO?” Bloomberg Editor in Chief John Micklethwait writes “that Donald Trump should be judged on his competency as a chief executive since no president has tried to claim the mantle of CEO-in-chief as completely as Trump.

    http://www.politico.com/tipsheets/mo...bullish-220375

    Ouch!
    Good article! I liked these 2 snips:
    There appears to be little structure in the White House. It’s more like a court than a company, with the king retiring to bed with a cheeseburger and spontaneously tweeting orders.
    <snip>
    There is a semi-charitable explanation for much of this chaos. Trump does not have any experience as a CEO—at least in the sense that most of corporate America would recognize. One telling irony: Many of the banking executives now trying to curry favor with him would never have lent him money in the past. His skills were in dealmaking, rather than running a large organization. The core Trump company had barely 100 people.
    Yep, he headed a bunch of LLC's not a corporation. Don the Con wouldn't last this long as CEO of GE, IBM, or DLTR...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiprHead View Post
    FIRST LOOK: WOULD YOU KEEP TRUMP AS U.S. CEO? — New Bloomberg Businessweek cover: “If America were a company would you keep this CEO?” Bloomberg Editor in Chief John Micklethwait writes “that Donald Trump should be judged on his competency as a chief executive since no president has tried to claim the mantle of CEO-in-chief as completely as Trump.

    http://www.politico.com/tipsheets/mo...bullish-220375

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    The problem is compounded by the fact that the meme of "the government should be run like a business" is in and of itself wrong. The government should be run like a government.

    The businesses that want to produce the highest returns are run over the edge of known risks. But there is no equal to "creative destruction" in government, especially for the federal government.

    Also, the government defines and oversees the operation of businesses and the economy. Things that seem to be simple and obvious when running a business become complex and anything but obvious when you have to take care of the many competing interests of society as a whole, as the government must.

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    At some point, some influential person or group needs to point out that experience in politics matters. This whole notion that an outsider can do the job has now been so thoroughly disproved, that it should never happen again.

    I wonder if Ross Perot, once getting some insight into what being POTUS actually entailed, dropped out because of that. Of course, he came back after dropping out, but it was likely out of a feeling of obligation to his supporters. And his heart wasn't in it when he did come back. But I can't believe he would've been as incompetent as Trump because as quirky as he was, he did seem to have the actual best interest of the country as his goal, regardless of whether he was right about anything.

    Trump meanwhile, after being granted what should've insight into the actual job, didn't understand what he was looking at and still doesn't understand it in any meaningful way. It is fair to say that any of us could've done a less awful job than Trump. Just by crawling under the desk in the Oval Office and only coming out at night would be a better way of governing that what Trump has done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Opoponax View Post
    At some point, some influential person or group needs to point out that experience in politics matters. This whole notion that an outsider can do the job has now been so thoroughly disproved, that it should never happen again.

    I wonder if Ross Perot, once getting some insight into what being POTUS actually entailed, dropped out because of that. Of course, he came back after dropping out, but it was likely out of a feeling of obligation to his supporters. And his heart wasn't in it when he did come back. But I can't believe he would've been as incompetent as Trump because as quirky as he was, he did seem to have the actual best interest of the country as his goal, regardless of whether he was right about anything.

    Trump meanwhile, after being granted what should've insight into the actual job, didn't understand what he was looking at and still doesn't understand it in any meaningful way. It is fair to say that any of us could've done a less awful job than Trump. Just by crawling under the desk in the Oval Office and only coming out at night would be a better way of governing that what Trump has done.
    This is where the parliamentary system has an advantage over our two party system. No one becomes the leader of a major party and therefore a candidate for Prime Minister without working their way through the ranks of government or at the very least, through shadow governments. It is not a guarantee of competence but it improves the odds of it.

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    A friend of mine, looking for any redemptive value whatever in Donald's presidency, says that this will at least kill forever the notion that we can solve our problems by putting businessmen in office. 'Run the guv'ment like a business!!' I don't buy it, though. The Right is a) endlessly resourceful with propaganda; b) incapable of owning up to error -- shit, they even start needless wars and defend them to the end; and c) theologically wedded to their pro-business, pro-wealth orthodoxy.

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    Today delivers

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39965107

    So apparently maintaining a functioning democratic country and keeping politicians from abusing power, is now a "witch hunt".

    Who thinks that the next thing he says is that war is peace, ignorance is strength and freedom is slavery? Or maybe that comes next week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by funinspace View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
    Are you insane? If the media wouldn't be fanning this, they wouldn't be doing their jobs. They're not pointing out thngs that isn't there. Trump really did all this shit. He's a political leader on the same level as Moammar Gadhafi or Kim Jong Un. Ie, a total joke.
    Yeah, but Muammar Gaddafi did it with full regalia
    Give Trump time. Soon someone will show him this.



    Nixon'as Palace guard.

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    Trump is the most inept Apprentice President the USA has ever had.

    He appears to think and believe that he is "shaking up Washington", "draining the Swamp," etc etc and so beginning "to make America great again", His problem is that he is cunning and not clever, and is so narcisisitic that he genuinely believes that all of his ideas and Tweets are right and "great" for everyone and should have the respect accorded to the Gettysburg Address. He certainly is shaking up the whole world, but not in a good way. How long this will be tolerated by the US public and its politicians remais to be seen. I share Winston Churchill's opinion that "in the end America will do the right thing, after trying everything else."

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    A good article by the guy that was the ghost writer for The Art of the Deal, not that many haven't figured out that Don the Con is a narcissist...
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...=.306c8acd2d4e
    To survive, I concluded from our conversations, Trump felt compelled to go to war with the world. It was a binary, zero-sum choice for him: You either dominated or you submitted. You either created and exploited fear, or you succumbed to it — as he thought his older brother had. This narrow, defensive outlook took hold at a very early age, and it never evolved.
    <snip>
    A key part of that story is that facts are whatever Trump deems them to be on any given day. When he is challenged, he instinctively doubles down — even when what he has just said is demonstrably false. I saw that countless times, whether it was as trivial as exaggerating the number of floors at Trump Tower or as consequential as telling me that his casinos were performing well when they were actually going bankrupt. In the same way, Trump sees no contradiction at all in changing his story about why he fired Comey and thereby undermining the statements of his aides, or in any other lie he tells. His aim is never accuracy; it’s domination.
    <snip>
    Even 30 years later, I vividly remember the ominous feeling when Trump got angry about some perceived slight. Everyone around him knew that you were best off keeping your distance at those times, or, if that wasn’t possible, that you should resist disagreeing with him in any way.

    In the hundreds of Trump’s phone calls I listened in on with his consent, and the dozens of meetings I attended with him, I can never remember anyone disagreeing with him about anything.

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