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    Nope. As the world becomes wealthier more people are free enough from poverty to become artists. In fact, the exact opposite is happening: there are so many excellent artists these days that it's next to impossible to make money doing it.

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    This social media age is what 5 to 8 years old? What is the basis for coming to a conclusion at all?
    Look at how fast it has transformed itself and the people using it for the five to 8 years. I could easily spend a five to 8 years sitting on the toilet without noticing that my lower extremities have gone completely numb. I'd be unable to walk, once the shit finally flushed. But no need to jump to conclusions because it will NEVER flush. Maybe I'll just DIE on the goddamn toilet like a rock star. Everyone else thinks they can be one. Why can't I!

    if you spend some thoughtful effort searching, you can find a greater number of talented musicians today.
    How much thought should I put into it? Seems like the platforms will have to do the thinking for me eventually. Because math. Too much stuff man. When platforms do the thinking, I'll no better off than I was when I had only a few choices of tapes to buy at (insert name of long gone local record store here). Why sift through garbage and thank a dumpster and the assholes unrinating in it? Should I thank it because it was empty enough to crawl into? How about thanking it for the free distraction? Yeah, the onslaught of needless distraction is such a blessing isn't it?

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    Why would it m

    And given our tendency to lionize the past, how would you even tell one way or the other?

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    And given our tendency to lionize the past, how would you even tell one way or the other?
    Apparently we can't tell and that should worry you because automation has no place in music, past production and distribution. Of course you need the tech but nah not at this level. Performance should have nothing to do with a phone. What he hell happened? You say we lionize the past and of course that is true. I'd like to preserve a certain present just a little longer before Hell becomes reality. Music is just another symptom of everything being destroyed by robots. Sooner than predicted it WILL happen. They will be inside us and all around really soon. As for the music part - not everyone deserves a guitar. That is why I thought Guitar Hero was created. I was like, whew I'm glad we can get some real players now, because the fake ones will surely get what they mentally desire from a video game. Nope it just makes those doomed children think they can do anything more easily.

    Music software on a phone is something that should not be. You should not be allowed to create what is called music so easily. Music should come from pain and sometimes love (so basically all pain). Becoming successful at music with integrity looks something like saving up to buy that shiny guitar and getting calluses while picking it as you pass out every night. Summer of 69 type thing. The guitar can't be played on a cellphone but bet there is an app for it. Not good man. Not good at all. Robots are coming and it may be too late etc etc

    All instruments are in Pro Tools and sometimes they sound even realer than real, but what the hell? Where is the pain? Master a software and you can become a star very easily if you can fit into a whore costume and go on You Tube and the rest of those terrible "places". Try it I guarantee there is still a little room left on slut corner. Believe in yourself. But that isn't the point. There is no pain in software. Developing it is probably terribly painful but using it isn't. It is like learning math or doing water color. You can take a class, and not like guitar practice class. Not like guitar practice at all. Very little suffering in it. But you can, and if you can produce enough money to buy the software and learn the math - you're there. You don't even have to pay because you can pirate it. That is not fair. I see very little victory in becoming successful using computers to make music. Especially if you use the easy stuff. It becomes easier every month and yes you should be frightened, if you truly love music. But not frightened for yourself, of course. We'll be dead when this "matters", and that statement applies to everything until the day humanity is in a living state of atrocious deathlessness due to what we allowed that to happen.

    "How would you even tell one way or the other" is a disturbing question when asked relating to automation and computer stuff. Think about it man. You can become a star musician without ever touching an instrument. Same deal with having a life you don't even live by use of a computer. Most of the world has already warmed up to it and many are fully ensnared at this point, particularly the youth.

    So basically you're allowing an invisible robot to murder kids and destroy reality. I don't want invisible robots killing kids. Their lives are too important because they represent reality when you're dead. You're responsible for Hell on earth if you allow "it" to go advance this rate. This little pocket of history will not be "lionized". It will be completely despised, assuming the future victims of our irresponsibility will have the capacity to place blame with their own thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
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    Just a random thought.
    This social media age is what 5 to 8 years old? What is the basis for coming to a conclusion at all?
    Social media effects are just an extension/amplification of the effect that the internet and recording technology have been having for decades. And given that most music consumers and most of the chart-topping musicians are under age 30, even a half decade is long enough to notably shift the nature of the music landscape.
    In fact, given the clear drastic shift in how musicians record, distribute, and get exposure, and how consumers consume music it would highly improbable for their not to be a notable impact on the way artistic talent is reflected among those getting paid for their music.

    Any person with access to an internet connection can create and distribute music directly to any person in the world. In fact, no instruments or any ability to play an instrument is even required (as is true of plenty of well paid DJs. An consumer with internet or cell access can consume anything uploaded to the internet with virtually zero investment, one listen at a time, often for free (even if the musician gets paid indirectly by advertising dollars). IOW, you can get paid for your music without a single person paying for it because they enjoy it, or if a bunch of people find one part of one song you make catchy enough to enjoy for a week but don't like anything else you do, so in the past would never have bought your album.

    As I explained in my prior post, these factors combine to make it likely that the % of people trying to make $ off of music that actually have high artistic talent has dropped, but this same "democratization" of music also means that anyone with talent is more able to get their music out there. IOW, the raw number of talented musicians making their stuff available has increased by X amount, but the number of talentless people putting out their stuff (and often making $) has increased by some multiple of X.





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    Nope. As the world becomes wealthier more people are free enough from poverty to become artists. In fact, the exact opposite is happening: there are so many excellent artists these days that it's next to impossible to make money doing it.
    That wrongly assumes that all the additional players in market are "excellent artists". Given all the factors I refer to above, it is likely that the vast majority of additional players competing in the marketplace are notably less talented and with less artistic vision than the average paid musician of the past. And plenty of them are getting paid, since (as I describe above) no one in the world needs to enjoy 99% of what you do to make money off one song that goes viral for a week. The structural changes mean that those putting out "music" for profit are a far more representative sample of the general population of average people.

    The effect on music is the same as the effect of journalism, and the "artistry" among "authors". Is the average random blog today "excellent" journalism relative to the average newspaper article of 20 years ago? Is the average piece of fiction posted by any random person online "excellent" storytelling relative to the average book on the shelves of the few libraries that still exist?


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