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    Quote Originally Posted by Patooka View Post
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    Before any brain-damaged goofballs try to pull the old "both sides are just as bad" tu quoque fallacy, let's not forget that Weinstein was not elected president after we found this out about him.
    Why the fuckfuckflying fuck would there be two sides to this scandal? The guy is scum who doesn't understand the purpose of a pot plant, how is this an issue with many sides?
    According to common belief, the casting couch is a standard part of the road to Hollywood stardom, and I suppose this notion must have come from somewhere more specific than one's general picture of capitalism as a brothel for ambitious prostitutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patooka View Post
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    Before any brain-damaged goofballs try to pull the old "both sides are just as bad" tu quoque fallacy, let's not forget that Weinstein was not elected president after we found this out about him.
    Why the fuckfuckflying fuck would there be two sides to this scandal? The guy is scum who doesn't understand the purpose of a pot plant, how is this an issue with many sides?
    Conservatives will point to him and say "See? A liberal did it, therefore you are wrong to criticize Trump."

    Conservatives are trained to reflexively offer tu quoque fallacies (the "both sides" excuse) anytime they know a conservative is wrong about something.

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    Seth McFarlane skewered Weinstein for this back in 2013 during the Oscar nominations ceremony. Some are trying to attack Seth for "joking" about it, but that is absurd. He was doing more than anyone else in Hollywood to expose it, risking his own career in the process. His actress friend was harassed by Weinstein and she didn't want to go public with it, so this was his way of dealing with it without exposing her.

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    That was a rather serious delivery, and not a joke. It was cloaked as humor, but he wasn't smiling or laughing.

    Granted, it is hard to tell when he is trying to be funny sometimes, as he isn't that funny. But in hindsight, that was a shot across the bow. I wouldn't say he was risking anything, though. At this point, he is established and very wealthy and would be able to move on even if Weinstein tried something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Underseer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Patooka View Post
    Why the fuckfuckflying fuck would there be two sides to this scandal? The guy is scum who doesn't understand the purpose of a pot plant, how is this an issue with many sides?
    Conservatives will point to him and say "See? A liberal did it, therefore you are wrong to criticize Trump."

    Conservatives are trained to reflexively offer tu quoque fallacies (the "both sides" excuse) anytime they know a conservative is wrong about something.
    Too late. The whole point of the OP was likely to imply a false equivalence between this and Trump being a self-admitted serial rapist. Note the only comment by the OP was "Million women march ? Hell no."

    Comment sections on stories about this are filled with similar references to the the march during the Trump inauguration. The moronic implication is that anyone who doesn't engage in as much political activism about this that they did about Trump being vile misogynist and an admitted serial rapist is a hypocrite. As though a Hollywood producer and the POTUS have equal power and influence.

    It is a not so veiled attempt to equate not only Weinstein with Trump, but to equate any Dem who ever took donations from him with Trump, and to make it seem commonplace and normal to have voted for a known serial rapist.
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    Similar situations--let's be frank and use the correct term: assaults--occur outside of the entertainment industry and even outside of any paid workforce. It's not only old men who engage in such behavior. After all, allegations against Weinstein date back decades. Women are it the only victims of such behavior and I doubt that men are the only perpetrators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toni View Post
    Similar situations--let's be frank and use the correct term: assaults--occur outside of the entertainment industry and even outside of any paid workforce. It's not only old men who engage in such behavior. After all, allegations against Weinstein date back decades. Women are it the only victims of such behavior and I doubt that men are the only perpetrators.
    Unlikely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSwizzle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Toni View Post
    Similar situations--let's be frank and use the correct term: assaults--occur outside of the entertainment industry and even outside of any paid workforce. It's not only old men who engage in such behavior. After all, allegations against Weinstein date back decades. Women are it the only victims of such behavior and I doubt that men are the only perpetrators.
    Unlikely.
    I believe she was saying that men are actually victims of sexual assault as well.

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    So it should read "women are NOT the only victims of such behavior". Fair enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toni View Post
    Similar situations--let's be frank and use the correct term: assaults--occur outside of the entertainment industry and even outside of any paid workforce. It's not only old men who engage in such behavior. After all, allegations against Weinstein date back decades. Women are it the only victims of such behavior and I doubt that men are the only perpetrators.
    But there is good reason to think that such behavior is notably more prevalent in Hollywood, due to an intersection of several factors. First, there is the immense power held by producers. The cliche' of "you'll never work in this town again" refers specifically to Hollywood for good reason, because it is a realistic threat, given the influence of some people over the entire industry. In most other industries, the worst you'd suffer is loss your job with that company, not it's competitors. Plus, most people in other jobs are not remotely as committed to that specific industry as actresses and actors are to acting.
    Oh, and then there is also the "loose" sexual morals that Hollywood has long been at the epicenter of, including that marriages are widely treated as meaningless very temporary states moreso than anywhere else. Finally, there is just the massive influx of a never-ending line of young, beautiful, and powerless women that these people in power encounter on a daily basis. This is part because beauty and sexuality is a huge part of what that industry sells and what the public wants to buy. Some other industries may have one of these qualities, but possibly none have all of them in the extreme that is true of the film and TV industry.

    Note, this is not some conservative screed against "liberal" Hollywood. I lived there from age 17 to 25 for a reason. I'm just pointing out these are realities that combine to make studio's about the most fertile ground (pun intended) for workplace sexual harassment.

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