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    Environmentally sustainable base load power

    What is the most environmentally sustainable way to provide base load power to various consumers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigfield View Post
    What is the most environmentally sustainable way to provide base load power to various consumers?
    Nuclear fission, in Generation III reactors, feeding power into the existing grid infrastructure. No other currently available option even comes close; although there is plenty of research ongoing that may change this in the next two to five decades.

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    I would say more specifically, thorium breeder reactors are most sustainable, since we are t going to run out of that nearly as soon as we will yellow cake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarhyn View Post
    I would say more specifically, thorium breeder reactors are most sustainable, since we are t going to run out of that nearly as soon as we will yellow cake.
    The question is asked in the present tense. Thorium breeder reactors may one day be the answer; but right now, they do not exist at commercial scale.

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    Seconded. Fission is the only current answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigfield View Post
    What is the most environmentally sustainable way to provide base load power to various consumers?
    Local source - solar, wind, tide, river, geo-thermal or a combination of whatever the geography best supplies for particular needs. Separate self-contained systems - no grid, no miles of cable to waste power in transit, no deforestation for poles or ditch-digging to bury cables; no exposed structures that can be damaged by weather. Local systems are easier and safer to maintain and repair; a problem in one town doesn't bring down three states and two provinces.

    No giant turbines, that so many people hate, just little windmills, like the town water-towers - possibly on the water-towers. Or a dam, or whatever is cheaper. Solar panels and passive glass walls on every home and factory; each industry to supply its own needs with local source power. In cities, the possibilities are many and varied.

    And, of course, cut the requirement by making every process more efficient, every building more dynamic, every user more aware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petrel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bigfield View Post
    What is the most environmentally sustainable way to provide base load power to various consumers?
    Local source - solar, wind, tide, river, geo-thermal or a combination of whatever the geography best supplies for particular needs. Separate self-contained systems - no grid, no miles of cable to waste power in transit, no deforestation for poles or ditch-digging to bury cables; no exposed structures that can be damaged by weather. Local systems are easier and safer to maintain and repair; a problem in one town doesn't bring down three states and two provinces.

    No giant turbines, that so many people hate, just little windmills, like the town water-towers - possibly on the water-towers. Or a dam, or whatever is cheaper. Solar panels and passive glass walls on every home and factory; each industry to supply its own needs with local source power. In cities, the possibilities are many and varied.

    And, of course, cut the requirement by making every process more efficient, every building more dynamic, every user more aware.
    Which of these options would provide reliable power for, say, Alice Springs on a hot, still night?

    No solar, no wind, no large volumes of water for dams, certainly no tides, sitting in the middle of one of the most geologically stable areas on the planet - how do you plan to keep the lights on - and more importantly, the air conditioning and refrigeration? These are not trivial luxuries in that part of the world - and even if you argue that they are luxuries in people's homes, they surely are not at the Base Hospital.

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    I don't plan for Alice Springs, but I'm sure somebody more technologically savvy can. Any place that needs cooling usually has plenty of sunlight, so what's wrong with that place? If it's all underground, there is probably a hot spring or some other source of power and the insulation should be pretty good. If there really isn't any source of local power, I'd say move the people to someplace better, like someplace with water.

    At the very least, retrofit the buildings - most especially the hospital - to better suit the climate. Most of the architecture in North America (I can't say about other places) is stupidly, almost criminally wrong for where it's built. And they keep building whole new subdivisions in exactly the same wrong way. People get stuck in modes of thought: how it's been done is the only way it can be done. And that's usually meant the end of their civilization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petrel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bigfield View Post
    What is the most environmentally sustainable way to provide base load power to various consumers?
    Local source - solar, wind, tide, river, geo-thermal or a combination of whatever the geography best supplies for particular needs. Separate self-contained systems - no grid, no miles of cable to waste power in transit, no deforestation for poles or ditch-digging to bury cables; no exposed structures that can be damaged by weather. Local systems are easier and safer to maintain and repair; a problem in one town doesn't bring down three states and two provinces.

    No giant turbines, that so many people hate, just little windmills, like the town water-towers - possibly on the water-towers. Or a dam, or whatever is cheaper. Solar panels and passive glass walls on every home and factory; each industry to supply its own needs with local source power. In cities, the possibilities are many and varied.

    And, of course, cut the requirement by making every process more efficient, every building more dynamic, every user more aware.
    Can that system provide base load power, or do you still need a fossil fuel power plant for that?

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    "That" is not a system; it's a suggestion for local, adapted and adaptable systems that work for each particular community, industrial installation, home or institution.
    What's "base load power"? Is that a number carved on some stone tablets, or is it variable?
    How many Barbie dolls does the world really need?
    How many office buildings really need to burn all their lights all night and kill millions of migrating birds?
    Can we afford to change to something new?
    How much power do we waste in outmoded delivery systems? How much money do we throw at inadequate infrastructures?
    What's a reasonable household consumption per day?
    Adapt or die.

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