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    ^ ^ ^
    Is this a conflation of events or are you intentionally covering two different things? My understanding is that the Philistines and their battles are fairly well understood. However, the Late Bronze Age Collapse is blamed on some peoples who are largely unknown, only referred to as the "Sea Peoples". You could do a search for, "Bronze Age Sea Peoples" and see how little is known of this assumed group or movement or whatever it was.

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    As usual, Wiki would offer only poor, surface only, information but a great deal of research into these peoples have been done by historians and archaeologists that can be found with a bit deeper search.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalbip View Post
    ^ ^ ^
    Is this a conflation of events or are you intentionally covering two different things? My understanding is that the Philistines and their battles are fairly well understood. However, the Late Bronze Age Collapse is blamed on some peoples who are largely unknown, only referred to as the "Sea Peoples". You could do a search for, "Bronze Age Sea Peoples" and see how little is known of this assumed group or movement or whatever it was.

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    As usual, Wiki would offer only poor, surface only, information but a great deal of research into these peoples have been done by historians and archaeologists that can be found with a bit deeper search.
    Have you any links to this "great deal of research"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4321lynx View Post
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    ^ ^ ^
    Is this a conflation of events or are you intentionally covering two different things? My understanding is that the Philistines and their battles are fairly well understood. However, the Late Bronze Age Collapse is blamed on some peoples who are largely unknown, only referred to as the "Sea Peoples". You could do a search for, "Bronze Age Sea Peoples" and see how little is known of this assumed group or movement or whatever it was.

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    As usual, Wiki would offer only poor, surface only, information but a great deal of research into these peoples have been done by historians and archaeologists that can be found with a bit deeper search.
    Have you any links to this "great deal of research"?
    I have read several research articles and papers but I don't keep bookmarks of such things. You could do a search yourself and google scholar will give you several papers. As a starting point, here's what one search of papers came up with that you can read through, you can try different search terms:

    https://scholar.google.com/scholar?h...a+people&btnG=

    Of course, all the papers linked will not be about the Sea Peoples but you can cull out the ones that don't address the topic you want.

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    lpetrich, delayed reply. I somehow do not visit TFT very frequently. Potapovka, Abashevo, Fatyanovo and Afanasevo cultures lie much north of Sintashta, but they all, including Sintashta, were returning northward movements of IE people after the ice-age was over. Perhaps IE came to Yamanaya region during the ice-age from Siberia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aupmanyav View Post
    lpetrich, delayed reply. I somehow do not visit TFT very frequently. Potapovka, Abashevo, Fatyanovo and Afanasevo cultures lie much north of Sintashta, but they all, including Sintashta, were returning northward movements of IE people after the ice-age was over. Perhaps IE came to Yamanaya region during the ice-age from Siberia.
    Be careful about chronology. The last Ice Age ended at around 12,000 years ago, and that's how the beginning of the Holocene epoch, our one, is defined. Sintashta and similar are about halfway into the Holocene relative to the present.

    The Yamnaya culture did have predecessors, like Sredny Stog, in eastern Ukraine and nearby south Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpetrich View Post
    Be careful about chronology. The last Ice Age ended at around 12,000 years ago, and that's how the beginning of the Holocene epoch, our one, is defined. Sintashta and similar are about halfway into the Holocene relative to the present.

    The Yamnaya culture did have predecessors, like Sredny Stog, in eastern Ukraine and nearby south Russia.
    Seroglazovka culture near Astrakhan is 7,000 BCE and is considered IE. Where from did these people come?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seroglazovka_culture

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    Quote Originally Posted by aupmanyav View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lpetrich View Post
    Be careful about chronology. The last Ice Age ended at around 12,000 years ago, and that's how the beginning of the Holocene epoch, our one, is defined. Sintashta and similar are about halfway into the Holocene relative to the present.

    The Yamnaya culture did have predecessors, like Sredny Stog, in eastern Ukraine and nearby south Russia.
    Seroglazovka culture near Astrakhan is 7,000 BCE and is considered IE. Where from did these people come?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seroglazovka_culture
    On what basis does anyone take the confidence to consider a culture of 9000 years ago either IE or not IE? What possible evidence, even incidental, could there be either way?

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    I suppose that it is followed by more distinctly IE culture without an apparent break. More information will only be with the experts.

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