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    The 'Living' Dead

    This case in California is of a girl that suffered brain death in Dec. 2013 and a death certificate was issued. The mother would not accept the judgement of the doctors and insisted on keeping her care continuing until her body has finally died this week. No mention is made of how much this has cost, monetarily or in resources that could have been used by others. The mother and lawyers are going to decide if they are going to continue the legal battle to have the original death certificate rescinded to make it easier on others fighting the doctors/specialists because of their religious beliefs.
    My take on this is that if a family or church wants to keep a body "alive" after a death certificate is issued, (I find this creepy) but fine - at their own expense. She lasted nearly 5 years! That is bound to be a bill in the million + range. Being in a coma with at least a chance of waking up is one thing, but after brain death, I don't see justification for our limited resources supporting this based on someone's religious beliefs.

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    It was a failed attempt to raise her as a zombie.

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    The mother no doubt loved her daughter but remains a very selfish person. It's a good example of how religious ignorance can really fuck things up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    It was a failed attempt to raise her as a zombie.
    Traditionally, you can't raise zombies for 3 days. A number of religious traditions claim that the soul may hang around in the vicinity for 3 days, making certain spells difficult.

    I wonder if artificial life support further ties the soul to the body? Maybe they're not only wasting resources on an empty shell, but actually tying the daughter to this vale of tears, preventing her from moving on?

    Could be an episode of something in that... a ward of life-support patients wandering the halls, bored out of their skulls, some trying to manifest enough to turn off the damned breathing machine or heart stimulator... watching trauma patients stagger out of the ER bays, confused, frightened, and missing their chance to move on while the souls around them try to help. "Run! Run for the light! Go, you dumb bastard!"
    "Oh, too late. Long Term has arrived."
    "Yep. See, his soul turns blue when they have the heart monitor in place..."
    "He'll be up here soon, then..."
    "Depends on his insurance."

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.G.G. Moogly View Post
    The mother no doubt loved her daughter but remains a very selfish person. It's a good example of how religious ignorance can really fuck things up.
    Nothing ignorant about it, they can and do expect God to intercede at any moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OLDMAN View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by T.G.G. Moogly View Post
    The mother no doubt loved her daughter but remains a very selfish person. It's a good example of how religious ignorance can really fuck things up.
    Nothing ignorant about it, they can and do expect God to intercede at any moment.
    That rather implies deep ignorance of his fictionality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bilby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by OLDMAN View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by T.G.G. Moogly View Post
    The mother no doubt loved her daughter but remains a very selfish person. It's a good example of how religious ignorance can really fuck things up.
    Nothing ignorant about it, they can and do expect God to intercede at any moment.
    That rather implies deep ignorance of his fictionality.
    it do at that....

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    Brain-dead is a pretty good description for a lot of religitards.
    “Light thinks it travels faster than anything but it is wrong. No matter how fast light travels, it finds the darkness has always got there first, and is waiting for it.” Terry Pratchett

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    Quote Originally Posted by phands View Post
    Brain-dead is a pretty good description for a lot of religitards.
    Easy with the insults.

    They aren't stupid, they've been indoctrinated, and the indoctrination process involves a lot of emotional manipulation. Most of the members here are people who freed themselves from that indoctrination, and they are to be lauded for that, but I don't think it's fair to insult those who have yet been able to overcome such emotional manipulation.

    To the original post:

    I don't think there is any reason for care to be provided after the death certificate has been issued. All costs should be born by the family after that point. Neither the government, nor any health insurance policy should be expected to pay for a family's denials and delusions. I can only imagine what that family was going through, but that's no excuse to expect others to pay for their delusions.

    If they want to believe that a brain dead individual counts as alive because of their religion, then they can conduct church bake sales to pay for the continued treatment of a brain dead corpse-with-a-pulse.

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    Here's a lecture on scientific research into the human psychology exploited by religious indoctrination.

    It's likely that religions stumbled on this formula through trial and error as their indoctrination practices predate the science of psychology, neuroscience, and evolutionary psychology by a lot, but the indoctrination is still remarkably sophisticated. Those who are still trapped in religion are kept in those traps created by flaws inherent in human thinking.

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