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    Quote Originally Posted by Underseer View Post
    It's likely that religions stumbled on this formula through trial and error as their indoctrination practices predate the science of psychology, neuroscience, and evolutionary psychology by a lot, but the indoctrination is still remarkably sophisticated. Those who are still trapped in religion are kept in those traps created by flaws inherent in human thinking.
    Ironically, such control systems developed by the natural selection of the most effective psychological techniques.

    Natural selection is a very powerful force and doesn't require a goal, or even an understanding of what is occurring on the part of the populations on which it acts.

    Even when it selects for the ability to deny that it exists in the face of all the evidence, it will produce astonishingly sophisticated looking results that are easy to mistake for design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bilby View Post
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    It's likely that religions stumbled on this formula through trial and error as their indoctrination practices predate the science of psychology, neuroscience, and evolutionary psychology by a lot, but the indoctrination is still remarkably sophisticated. Those who are still trapped in religion are kept in those traps created by flaws inherent in human thinking.
    Ironically, such control systems developed by the natural selection of the most effective psychological techniques.

    Natural selection is a very powerful force and doesn't require a goal, or even an understanding of what is occurring on the part of the populations on which it acts.

    Even when it selects for the ability to deny that it exists in the face of all the evidence, it will produce astonishingly sophisticated looking results that are easy to mistake for design.
    That irony has been much commented on.

    How could an itinerant carpenter and an illiterate trader build two of the most successful religions in human history? Because they blindly copied the works of others, and evolutionary forces guaranteed that the religions they were copying from had incredibly successful self-propagation mechanisms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Underseer View Post
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    It's likely that religions stumbled on this formula through trial and error as their indoctrination practices predate the science of psychology, neuroscience, and evolutionary psychology by a lot, but the indoctrination is still remarkably sophisticated. Those who are still trapped in religion are kept in those traps created by flaws inherent in human thinking.
    Ironically, such control systems developed by the natural selection of the most effective psychological techniques.

    Natural selection is a very powerful force and doesn't require a goal, or even an understanding of what is occurring on the part of the populations on which it acts.

    Even when it selects for the ability to deny that it exists in the face of all the evidence, it will produce astonishingly sophisticated looking results that are easy to mistake for design.
    That irony has been much commented on.

    How could an itinerant carpenter and an illiterate trader build two of the most successful religions in human history? Because they blindly copied the works of others, and evolutionary forces guaranteed that the religions they were copying from had incredibly successful self-propagation mechanisms.
    We have to remember that the societies that created Jesus, were doing nothing new...one tribe always looking (still) for a Messiah, the other (an empire) always proclaiming men are Gods...surprise, it's a man-god who is everyone's personal messiah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OLDMAN View Post
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    That irony has been much commented on.

    How could an itinerant carpenter and an illiterate trader build two of the most successful religions in human history? Because they blindly copied the works of others, and evolutionary forces guaranteed that the religions they were copying from had incredibly successful self-propagation mechanisms.
    We have to remember that the societies that created Jesus, were doing nothing new...one tribe always looking (still) for a Messiah, the other (an empire) always proclaiming men are Gods...surprise, it's a man-god who is everyone's personal messiah.
    Yup. Lots of demigods of various sorts from that part of the world around that time, from half-breeds like Hercules to various gods choosing to take mortal form for this or the other reason. Jesus seems to be a blend of those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
    I wonder if artificial life support further ties the soul to the body? Maybe they're not only wasting resources on an empty shell, but actually tying the daughter to this vale of tears, preventing her from moving on?
    That was actually something that happened in a book series. Piers Anthony’s Incarnations of Immortality series. In the first book “On a Pale Horse” the main character ends up becoming the incarnation of Death. When he went to collect the soul of a man on life support, he couldn’t pull it out. So he shut down the life support of everyone who wanted to die. Other books are on the incarnations of time, fate, war, nature, evil (Satan), and good. Death and evil were the best of the series imo.

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    That irony has been much commented on.

    How could an itinerant carpenter and an illiterate trader build two of the most successful religions in human history? Because they blindly copied the works of others, and evolutionary forces guaranteed that the religions they were copying from had incredibly successful self-propagation mechanisms.
    We have to remember that the societies that created Jesus, were doing nothing new...one tribe always looking (still) for a Messiah, the other (an empire) always proclaiming men are Gods...surprise, it's a man-god who is everyone's personal messiah.
    Yup. Lots of demigods of various sorts from that part of the world around that time, from half-breeds like Hercules to various gods choosing to take mortal form for this or the other reason. Jesus seems to be a blend of those.
    We don't even have to look at mythology. even Julius Cesar and others were pronounced to be gods.

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