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    Quote Originally Posted by Speakpigeon View Post
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    somewhere in amongst all of the possible worlds/universes/multiverses/megaverses there is one where God exists - where it's impossible for Him not to exist.
    What kind of god would that be that would not exist everywhere?!

    One universe with a god among infinitely many without one. A god of small things?!
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    Dont quibble about the nature of 'something' when the Op says that's all there is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    Dont quibble about the nature of 'something' when the Op says that's all there is.
    What's nothing and where is it?

    Maybe it too, like God, is in some other possible universe?

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    Can we clarify then ,whether we can agree to accept Heaven as a different plane/universe or dimension ?

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    The Bible is not clear on that. There are verses that strongly suggest that Heaven was believed to be a physical place above the dome of the sky.

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    Ok then, shall we agree on physical place above the dome of the sky ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Learner View Post
    Ok then, shall we agree on physical place above the dome of the sky ?
    You would agree that this is a possibility?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBT View Post
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    Ok then, shall we agree on physical place above the dome of the sky ?
    You would agree that this is a possibility?
    It depends on you , because the OP question would then need to be altered. i.e. God exists in the physical place above the dome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Learner View Post
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    Ok then, shall we agree on physical place above the dome of the sky ?
    You would agree that this is a possibility?
    It depends on you , because the OP question would then need to be altered. i.e. God exists in the physical place above the dome.

    I'm not sure of the point of this, or where this is going. It has nothing to do with me, but let's say that someone agrees that Heaven is a physical place situated above the Dome of the Sky.....what then? Where does this lead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
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    somewhere in amongst all of the possible worlds/universes/multiverses/megaverses there is one where God exists - where it's impossible for Him not to exist.
    What kind of god would that be that would not exist everywhere?!

    One universe with a god among infinitely many without one. A god of small things?!
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    Dont quibble about the nature of 'something' when the Op says that's all there is.
    The OP is crap but who needs the OP? If we're of a not too quibbling nature about definitions, any something sure is a god unto itself.

    So, yeah, where there's something, there's a god.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DBT View Post
    Knowledge:

    ''Why not say that knowledge is true belief?

    ''The standard answer is that to identify knowledge with true belief would be implausible because a belief that is true just because of luck does not qualify as knowledge. Beliefs that are lacking justification are false more often than not. However, on occasion, such beliefs happen to be true.

    The analysis of knowledge may be approached by asking the following question: What turns a true belief into knowledge? An uncontroversial answer to this question would be: the sort of thing that effectively prevents a belief from being true as a result of epistemic luck. Controversy begins as soon as this formula is turned into a substantive proposal. According to evidentialism, which endorses the JTB+ conception of knowledge, the combination of two things accomplishes this goal: evidentialist justification plus degettierization (a condition that prevents a true and justified belief from being "gettiered"). However, according to an alternative approach that has in the last three decades become increasingly popular, what stands in the way of epistemic luck, what turns a true belief into knowledge is the reliability of the cognitive process that produced the belief. Consider how we acquire knowledge of our physical environment: we do so through sense experience. Sense experiential processes are, at least under normal conditions, highly reliable. There is nothing accidental about the truth of the beliefs these processes produce. Thus beliefs produced by sense experience, if true, should qualify as instances of knowledge. An analogous point could be made for other reliable cognitive processes, such as introspection, memory, and rational intuition. We might, therefore, say that what turns true belief into knowledge is the reliability of our cognitive processes.''
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