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    Kent Hovind: Broccoli man



    Kent Hovind is trying to compete with Ray Comfort's infamous banana argument. How do you think he did?

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    Hovind, like all his ilk, is a fuckwit.

    Evolution is a fact. The theory was proven right time and time again. Hovind has been proven wrong time and time again.
    “Light thinks it travels faster than anything but it is wrong. No matter how fast light travels, it finds the darkness has always got there first, and is waiting for it.” Terry Pratchett

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    Quote Originally Posted by phands View Post
    Hovind, like all his ilk, is a fuckwit.

    Evolution is a fact.
    Yep.
    The theory was proven right time and time again.
    Not really.

    It's a very well-supported theory, but nothing in science is ever proven.
    There's always at least a chance that new observations will falsify any theory.

    Hovind has been proven wrong time and time again.
    and that's another yepper boy howdy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
    It's a very well-supported theory, but nothing in science is ever proven.
    There's always at least a chance that new observations will falsify any theory.
    It is a truism that nothing in science is ever "proven", but the problem is what one means by "proven" in a given context. There is such a thing as a "scientific proof". That is not the same thing as a "logical proof". What scientists attempt to prove are hypotheses, and they use observation and experimentation to evaluate those hypotheses. When the overwhelming preponderance of evidence favors one theory over competing theories, then that theory is considered "proven" in the context of science. There are few scientific theories that meet scientific standards of proof better than the theory of evolution. It may turn out that some better theory comes along in the future that replaces the general theory of evolution, but scientific proofs are only about the hypotheses and theories that are subject to proof at a given point in time. Saying that "nothing is ever proven" in science is a concession to doubters that is entirely pedantic and unnecessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phands View Post

    Evolution is a fact. The theory was proven right time and time again.
    So who won the $250,000 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
    Yep. Not really.

    It's a very well-supported theory, but nothing in science is ever proven.
    There's always at least a chance that new observations will falsify any theory.

    Hovind has been proven wrong time and time again.
    and that's another yepper boy howdy.

    I think we're in violent agreement! I should have been more precise in my choice of words. Evolution has been seen in action many, many times, and has been shown to be a good (indeed, only, outside of creationist Woooo) explanation for observed phenomena. At no time has evolution been shown to NOT be a good explanation.
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    Creationist Kent Hovind Now Says Celery is Proof That Evolution is False

    Having failed with his Broccoli brain-fart. the moron has moved on to.....Celery!

    It was just a couple of weeks ago when Creationist Kent Hovind argued that the existence of broccoli disproved evolution because it was too complicated to have evolved without God’s help. (It was the same argument Ray Comfort once made about bananas — and equally ignorant.)


    Looks like Hovind is just going through the alphabet now, because on his livestream last night, he argued that celery was also a proverbial checkmate to atheists.


    Celery.

    http://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2...GHGOy7aYYWB.99
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by phands View Post

    Evolution is a fact. The theory was proven right time and time again.
    So who won the $250,000 ?
    So something is only true in science if someone wins $250,000?

    I don't think you understand how science works. You should consider going back to elementary school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Underseer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by phands View Post

    Evolution is a fact. The theory was proven right time and time again.
    So who won the $250,000 ?
    So something is only true in science if someone wins $250,000?

    I don't think you understand how science works. You should consider going back to elementary school.
    Another stupid indirection attempt by LIRC. There never was a $250k prize...it was a pathetic attempt by Kunt Hovind to detract from Evolution in favour of his creationist garbage. In the end, Hovind's $250k, and a further $180400 were "won" by the IRS, as that was the amount that he was ordered to forfeit when he went to jail for tax crimes. Hovind is yet another true xtian criminal.
    “Light thinks it travels faster than anything but it is wrong. No matter how fast light travels, it finds the darkness has always got there first, and is waiting for it.” Terry Pratchett

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by phands View Post

    Evolution is a fact. The theory was proven right time and time again.
    So who won the $250,000 ?
    It was never won because it was never a serious offer, the money was never verified, and there was never a fair contest. Nevertheless, so much more has funded evolutionary research in the form of grants, and funds have been poured into biomedical research, which has garnered hard-won rewards in the form of antibiotics, vaccines, and other medical treatments that makes modern life possible. Few of which would exist without the theory, because evolution is the bedrock that makes modern medicine possible. Period. When it is ignored by creationists, as has sometimes been done, it is at everyone's peril. As in the famous case of baby Fae.

    When asked why he had picked a baboon over a primate more closely related to humans in evolution, Bailey replied, "I don't believe in evolution."
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