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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
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    LOL
    Don't you mean evidence that nobody was up to the challenge?
    That is your comeback? Yeez...
    No, i did not. Now go and play with your imaginary friend.
    No, he's right. NO one was up to the challenge, and that's how Hovind designed it. It's a challenge that's impossible to meet, to allow him to pretend to a position of superiority in the debate, not to find the truth.

    Some of the elements of the challenge require proving things that are NOT part of the theory of evolution. Plus unscientific statements, like having to prove that certain theories were THE ONLY POSSIBLE way things happened. That's not what science claims about evolution.

    And even if it were possible, he maintained complete control over the judges who would be used to determine that the challenge had been met. If such a group existed, there was no way to validate their credentials or their ability o understand the the material they were judging. And, no way to be sure that whatever they said was what that lying idiot Hovind actually reported.

    It was always a con.

    But it was a con that at least offered the conclusion Lion prefers, so of course he would need no further details.
    It was indeed always a con. It also underlines how little LIRC and the criminal Hovind actually know about evolution. Evolution often finds more than one possible way of arriving at similar features in different lineages - convergent evolution - which isn't surprising when the mutations which trigger changes happen randomly.
    “Light thinks it travels faster than anything but it is wrong. No matter how fast light travels, it finds the darkness has always got there first, and is waiting for it.” Terry Pratchett

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    Wait.
    If Kent Hovind was putting up a challenge for people to prove something about evolution which Hovind thinks ISNT true, and the people he is challenging say...
    "yes it's unproven but that's not a part of evolution"
    ...then aren't they conceding Hovind's point?
    Logic has been around for at least 2,300 years; Is it really too much to ask that you make at least some attempt to use it correctly?

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    Kent Hovind: Broccoli man

    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    Wait.
    If Kent Hovind was putting up a challenge for people to prove something about evolution which Hovind thinks ISNT true, and the people he is challenging say...
    "yes it's unproven but that's not a part of evolution"
    ...then aren't they conceding Hovind's point?
    Hovind had the mother of all umbrellas covering his ‘challenge’. If memory serves it went to even needing to explain astrophysics... of which evolution isn’t remotely dealing with.

    Suggesting Hovind made a point is pretty much exposing an iceberg worth of ignorance.

    It’d be akin to mentioning, “...but Dembeski (sp) was right about that mutated shrimp thing.”

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    Evolution is easy to describe in theistic terms.
    Kent Hovind would pay out if claimants used the bible to corroborate their theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    If memory serves it went to even needing to explain astrophysics... of which evolution isn’t remotely dealing with.
    http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind.html

    I have a standing offer of $250,000 to anyone who can give any empirical evidence (scientific proof) for evolution.* My $250,000 offer demonstrates that the hypothesis of evolution is nothing more than a religious belief.
    Footnote:
    *NOTE: When I use the word evolution, I am not referring to the minor variations found in all of the various life forms (microevolution). I am referring to the general theory of evolution which believes these five major events took place without God:
    1. Time, space, and matter came into existence by themselves.
    2. Planets and stars formed from space dust.
    3. Matter created life by itself.
    4. Early life-forms learned to reproduce themselves.
    5. Major changes occurred between these diverse life forms (i.e., fish changed to amphibians, amphibians changed to reptiles, and reptiles changed to birds or mammals).

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    Hovind has been in tax court, where he swore to the Judge that he didn't own any property.
    When that session broke for lunch, he went to some apartments he owned and told the tenants they had to move out, immediately.
    The tenants had some silly idea that they had a lease, and rights, and a minimum amount of time to find a new place before leaving, end of the month, and so on.
    Hovind started beating them to get them to move out immediately.

    When the police arrived, he stated that since HE owned the property, he was allowed to do that.

    Hovind is a lying liar, a tax cheat, and a scam artist, but he professes to be a Christain, working for Christain principles, and fighting the deadly sinful lie of Evolution in God's Name, so he knows that people like Lion are disabled when it comes to detecting his true nature...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    Evolution is easy to describe in theistic terms.
    Kent Hovind would pay out if claimants used the bible to corroborate their theory.
    Have you ever watched Christians arguing over the meaning of the Bible? They use it to argue both sides of an issue. I doubt that anyone would convince Hovind that the Bible contradicted any of his biases. The Bible is like a Ouija board. It points in the direction of whichever advice the people controlling the pointer want it to point to. Hovind will never yield control of the pointer to anyone else.

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    Kent Hovind's "doctoral" dissertation
    Begins:
    '"Hello, my name is Kent Hovind. I am a creation/science evangelist. I live in Pensacola, Florida."

    You'd think that a lying cheat like Hovind would at least know to looks at some ACTUAL doctoral dissertations, and try to emulate what an actual PhD student might write. But that's what passes for excellence at Patriot "University".
    Actual picture of Hovind's Alma Mater:


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    Attacking Hovinds character doesn't strike me as a rational/intellectual argument against his position on evolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    Attacking Hovinds character doesn't strike me as a rational/intellectual argument against his position on evolution.
    Lol! In case you didn't know, "a rational/intellectual argument against his position on evolution" would be like a rational argument against the existence of gravity. In fact, "Intelligent Falling" is a scientific tour de force, compared to Hovind's ridiculous "position", which is as follows:


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