Page 2 of 27 FirstFirst 123412 ... LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 264

Thread: For Christians:If god exists why must you prove it?

  1. Top | #11
    Contributor DrZoidberg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Copenhagen
    Posts
    7,565
    Archived
    5,746
    Total Posts
    13,311
    Rep Power
    50
    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    Aquinas was the pope's theological hit man. He went out and debated.
    I don't think so. Aquinas was a loose cannon. He had plenty of public conflicts with various popes. Refusing to do as he was told. Not to mention that Aquinas' work relied heavily on Aristotelian logic, which had been outlawed by several popes. Aquinas seems to have been picking fights, with pretty much everyone he came into contact with. If he hadn't been from an exceedingly rich noble family nobody would have put up with him.

    He was canonized after his death because his work was undoubtedly useful to the church. I think it's safe to say, to the popes he was a lot more popular dead than alive.

  2. Top | #12
    Veteran Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2016
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    3,468
    Rep Power
    15
    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    I never saw any scripture telling me to prove God exists. In fact there's a fair bit telling me NOT to put God to the proof.

    As for hostility towards those who reject God, nope. Christians who aren't welcomed are invoked to turn and leave and shake the dust off their sandals.
    You are doing the usual Christian two step. Find a passage and make it fit something unrelated as an answer.

    Aren't they commanded to give up possesions and follow Jesus?
    Now you're changing the topic. Your Op was very specific about some supposed obligation Christians have to prove God exists and allegedly getting hostile at those who aren't persuaded.
    Name some self-professed Christian here at TTF who you believe interpret their Christian calling this way.

  3. Top | #13
    Elder Contributor Keith&Co.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Far Western Mass
    Posts
    14,363
    Archived
    24,500
    Total Posts
    38,863
    Rep Power
    69
    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
    Isn't a hostile Christian an oxymoron?
    Why on Earth would you think that?

    Crusades, witch trials, Inquisition, Mad About Dungeons And Dragons, Jack Chick...
    Oh. Wait, you're being funny? Sorry.

  4. Top | #14
    Veteran Member Tigers!'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    On the wing waiting for a kick.
    Posts
    1,584
    Archived
    2,558
    Total Posts
    4,142
    Rep Power
    51
    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    If you believe god exists and have faith in an afterlife, why must you prove it and why get hostile to those who reject it?
    If you are an non-christian why do you keep asking for proof?
    If you did not ask for proof we would not need to be so active.

    I do not get hostile to those who reject. I am sorry they reject. Hostile, no.
    NOTE: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

  5. Top | #15
    Elder Contributor Keith&Co.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Far Western Mass
    Posts
    14,363
    Archived
    24,500
    Total Posts
    38,863
    Rep Power
    69
    Quote Originally Posted by Tigers! View Post
    I do not get hostile to those who reject. I am sorry they reject. Hostile, no.
    And I suspect you're probably in the Majority. Unfortunately, a largely silent majority...

  6. Top | #16
    Contributor DrZoidberg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Copenhagen
    Posts
    7,565
    Archived
    5,746
    Total Posts
    13,311
    Rep Power
    50
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tigers! View Post
    I do not get hostile to those who reject. I am sorry they reject. Hostile, no.
    And I suspect you're probably in the Majority. Unfortunately, a largely silent majority...
    But you just described the main problem with the current society. News is today primarily spread for shock value. A person being cool about shit, is not news. I don't think it's a question of sensible Christian being quiet. It's more that nobody is listeing to what they're saying. Today, we almost exclusively give attention and platforms to complete idiots. Idiots who's only role is for us to react against. The OP to this thread is a prime example

    I'm sure it's works the same on the other side. I'm convinced Christians continually spread news about atheists saying and doing vile shit, that we in the secular world give zero attention.

    I think most people everywhere are fairly decent.

  7. Top | #17
    Cyborg with a Tiara
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    Recluse
    Posts
    6,834
    Archived
    9,040
    Total Posts
    15,874
    Rep Power
    77
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
    Isn't a hostile Christian an oxymoron?
    Why on Earth would you think that?

    Crusades, witch trials, Inquisition, Mad About Dungeons And Dragons, Jack Chick...
    Oh. Wait, you're being funny? Sorry.
    Don’t forget Jesus and the money-changers...

  8. Top | #18
    Contributor DrZoidberg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Copenhagen
    Posts
    7,565
    Archived
    5,746
    Total Posts
    13,311
    Rep Power
    50
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
    Isn't a hostile Christian an oxymoron?
    Why on Earth would you think that?

    Crusades, witch trials, Inquisition, Mad About Dungeons And Dragons, Jack Chick...
    Oh. Wait, you're being funny? Sorry.
    Don’t forget Jesus and the money-changers...
    Wasn't Jesus more passive aggressive?

  9. Top | #19
    Cyborg with a Tiara
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    Recluse
    Posts
    6,834
    Archived
    9,040
    Total Posts
    15,874
    Rep Power
    77
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tigers! View Post
    I do not get hostile to those who reject. I am sorry they reject. Hostile, no.
    And I suspect you're probably in the Majority. Unfortunately, a largely silent majority...
    I believe the evidence shows otherwise.
    If Christians were majority not-hostile, we would not have restrictions on birth control and atheists would not be the most untrusted group by Xhristians.

    They are majority hostile. They say so in polls when they claim they don’t trust atheists. They say so when they permit companies and people to discriminate against non-christians in medical decisions, marriage and tax collection.

    Tigers!, you need to understand that “hostile” includes asking people again and again and a-fucking-gain if they’ve heard the “good news” snake oil.

    Everyone on the planet has heard about your religion. If you weren’t bringing it up in our lives in our laws and in our workplaces, no one would ask you for proof. We wouldn’t care, just as we don’t actually care about people who use crystals and essential oils and spirit yoga.

    You get hostile when people say they don’t want to be harmed by your ancient superstition in contravention to shaking the dust off your sandals and shutting up about it.

  10. Top | #20
    Cyborg with a Tiara
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    Recluse
    Posts
    6,834
    Archived
    9,040
    Total Posts
    15,874
    Rep Power
    77
    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    I never saw any scripture telling me to prove God exists. In fact there's a fair bit telling me NOT to put God to the proof.

    As for hostility towards those who reject God, nope. Christians who aren't welcomed are invoked to turn and leave and shake the dust off their sandals.
    You are doing the usual Christian two step. Find a passage and make it fit something unrelated as an answer.

    Aren't they commanded to give up possesions and follow Jesus?
    Now you're changing the topic. Your Op was very specific about some supposed obligation Christians have
    No. You’re having a language problem. The sentence “why must you” means “why are you incessant about this?” The only obligation is the one apparent from your incessant behaviour. We might assume that you have some internal obligation to drive such aggressive behavior, but that’s between you and your old book. The sentence “why must you” simply means, “why do you always do that?” It’s a question. WHY do you do that all the time?

    Hope that helps.

    to prove God exists and allegedly getting hostile at those who aren't persuaded.
    Name some self-professed Christian here at TTF who you believe interpret their Christian calling this way.
    You.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •