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    Quote Originally Posted by rousseau View Post
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    I guess the first delineation would depend on your belief in a creator

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    if(iBelieveInGod)
        - everything emanates from God
        - divine plan
    else
        - the universe works on natural, quantifiable laws that we can measure and understand
    endif
    After that point we should be able to understand all observable behavior and phenomena within the framework of our assumptions about natural law
    You obviously meant to say that either leg of the alternative could be your basic assumption, and that different people will choose one or the other, but your bit of code says that your most basic assumption before that is the alternative itself, i.e. either I believe in God or I don't...
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    The point of differentiating them that way is to highlight the fact that our basic assumptions about how reality work are contingent on the ontologies we assume about reality.
    OK, so these assumed "ontologies" are our basic assumptions and different people may assume different ontologies. And they seems a good candidate for being most basic.

    Quote Originally Posted by rousseau View Post
    There is no objective 'basic assumption'.. there is a 'basic assumption based on what we believe about the nature of the universe'. That is unless you want to assume materialism for the purpose of this conversation and start from there.
    Nah. I certainly think our most basic assumptions are necessarily subjective. If one's most basic assumption is that the world is entirely material, then even this one would have to be subjective.

    Quote Originally Posted by rousseau View Post
    I bring up this side of the conversation, because from an anthropological perspective the assumptions we make about reality are subjective, and people are a diverse bunch. So I guess it just depends on whether you want to talk about the basic assumptions we make across our species, or the basic assumptions we make starting from the materialist frame.
    No such suggestion in the OP that I can see. What would be our most basic assumption when we try to understand anything about reality? So, your "ontologies we assume about reality" seems a good one. Maybe someone who "assumes God" could do a coming out and explain here how in their view that would help us understand reality.
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    The world is as we perceive it.
    Our senses paint an accurate picture of reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seyorni View Post
    The world is as we perceive it.
    Our senses paint an accurate picture of reality.
    Good one. Seems very basic to me. Most people certainly would have it. And we have it even before we could have a chance to try better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seyorni View Post
    The world is as we perceive it.
    Our senses paint an accurate picture of reality.
    Which relies on
    - there is something that is not me
    - there is a world out there
    - the senses reflect something outside ourselves.
    - the senses reflect that world outside ourselves.
    - stuff you dont see changing probably stays the same
    Etc

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    Stuff happens for a reason (the assumption of adequate determinism).

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    The assumption that there's a reality to begin with.

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    The assumption there is an is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigfield View Post
    The assumption that there's a reality to begin with.
    Oh you rebel you. You know that one's been disallowed by the threadmeister.

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    Seriously, I've got one.

    The assumption that if you start a thread with a question, you get to decide which answers count and which don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seyorni View Post
    The world is as we perceive it.
    Our senses paint an accurate picture of reality.
    There is a more basic assumption which is true.

    There is me and there are the things I perceive.

    I am perceiving things.

    Something is perceiving them.

    I perceive therefore I exist.

    The most basic assumptions are well known already.

    Descartes explained it a while ago.

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