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    Noah and the flood

    The question of minimum population size came up on another thread.

    If all surface life was killed in the flood leaving only Noah and company, then every huann group existing today must have come from Noah.

    Blacks, whites, asians and so on. Further in the time scale from the alleged time of the flood to the rise of advanced cultures like Egypt and China children would have to be changing generation by generation. It would have to be observable by parents.

    How did diversity in humans come about starting with Adam and Eve followed by the Noah bottleneck?

    Hey wife, how come baby has slanted eyes?

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    There was no noah. There was no flood.

    Move on.
    “Light thinks it travels faster than anything but it is wrong. No matter how fast light travels, it finds the darkness has always got there first, and is waiting for it.” Terry Pratchett

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    Quote Originally Posted by phands View Post
    There was no noah. There was no flood.

    Move on.
    And who the fuck are you? Pope of the internet?...heeheeeheeeheee.

    It was an obious quetion for theists to respond to. I always have to rember to connect the dots for people.

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    The Noah story is a fable, as any intelligent person knows. It was adopted from Babylonian literature while the Jews were in exile.

    It doesn't rain 725 feet of rain everyday for 40 days, ever.

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    Noah’s family (all heterosexuals BTW) spread out and went their separate ways continuing on to live God’s blessing to be fruitful and populate the Earth. And as descendants of Adam, they likely shared his skin pigmentation.
    Adam (אדם) literally means "red", and there is an etymological connection between adam and adamah, adamah designating "red clay" or "red ground" in a non-theological context
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adamah

    This initial skin pigmentation would be a useful starting point for subsequent variation in skin colour as Ham, Shem and Japheths descendents spread out around the world living in different climates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    Noah’s family (all heterosexuals BTW) spread out and went their separate ways continuing on to live God’s blessing to be fruitful and populate the Earth. And as descendants of Adam, they likely shared his skin pigmentation.
    Adam (אדם) literally means "red", and there is an etymological connection between adam and adamah, adamah designating "red clay" or "red ground" in a non-theological context
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adamah

    This initial skin pigmentation would be a useful starting point for subsequent variation in skin colour as Ham, Shem and Japheths descendents spread out around the world living in different climates.
    So, there was evolutionary adaptation by selection in new environments? Creationists call that micro evolution while rejecting the greater scope of evolution.

    You Are saying Adam and Eve carried all the genetic variation we see today? Have not heard that one before.

    Adam was red skinned? There is no possible way to trace the mening back to original documents, there are no orginal documents.

    My point was the time scale. Post flood Egyptian and other civilizations with distinct languages and culture and genetic diversity would had to have oend overnight so to speak. A dozen people of the Arc leading to all that including the number of humans would be impossible.

    Fair skinned white Europeans to blacks in the African plains and Pygmies for that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    Noah’s family (all heterosexuals BTW) spread out and went their separate ways continuing on to live God’s blessing to be fruitful and populate the Earth. And as descendants of Adam, they likely shared his skin pigmentation.
    Adam (אדם) literally means "red", and there is an etymological connection between adam and adamah, adamah designating "red clay" or "red ground" in a non-theological context
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adamah

    This initial skin pigmentation would be a useful starting point for subsequent variation in skin colour as Ham, Shem and Japheths descendents spread out around the world living in different climates.
    This is nonsense. A population of a handful of individuals would not been able to populate the different parts of the world in a matter of a few hundred years, or evolve the very diverse characteristics and cultures we observe across our species today. Even if they managed that using magic, the effects of this bottleneck would have been obvious in our genes. And I'm not even going to get into all the reasons why the Noah flood story is considered impossible.

    Most Christians are not looking for answers when they read the Bible, they are simply reinforcing their belief in a mythical god invented by our Bronze Age ancestors. So reason and skeptical thinking don't come into play; you simply believe what you read. Free your mind, and stop being a slave to the superstitions of our ancestors. If you believe your god gave you a brain, you owe him at least the courtesy of using it once in a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by phands View Post
    There was no noah. There was no flood.

    Move on.
    And who the fuck are you? Pope of the internet?...heeheeeheeeheee.

    It was an obious quetion for theists to respond to. I always have to rember to connect the dots for people.
    Dunno about pope....maybe an antipope. And why bother to debate the never-happened with idiots who cite abject guff like what LIRC regurgitated?

    We must be about due for a replay of the moronic Walt Brown and his HydroPlates brain-fart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phands View Post
    And why bother to debate the never-happened with idiots who cite abject guff like what LIRC regurgitated?
    If nothing else, might get an idea for a bible fanfic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by phands View Post
    And why bother to debate the never-happened with idiots who cite abject guff like what LIRC regurgitated?
    If nothing else, might get an idea for a bible fanfic.
    Don't go there....that's how we wound up with mor(m)ons.

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