Quote Originally Posted by Speakpigeon View Post
Our logical intuitions are just part of our subjective experience. Logic, however, is a metaphysical concept. It's what we imagine exists that would be consistent with our logical intuitions. And then there are methods of logic, which are inevitably metaphysical theories about logic. Most of them are crap, no even consistent with our logical intuitions.
i'm sorry, and I don't mean to offend. I don't buy into the quasi-superstitious-nursery-rhymes that follow the, 'I think, ergo I am' school-of-platitudes

There is a physical reality only, and we interact physically with it. These are objective actions, interactions, and reactions with a reality that options only chance and necessity. It's possible to understand this and feel it, touch it, taste it despite our (your?) belief that we can only subjectively and metaphysically experience it second hand, and that we lose understanding by that translation.

'Oddball: Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

Moriarty
: Crap!