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    My opinion is the frame of reference is Eden. That is in the area of the Middle East of today, in particular the fertile crescent. Yes, it would have been underwater until dry land appeared.
    The light was NOT coming from the sun in the first 3 days of creation week. I believe it would have been coming from the Son as in Revelation 21.
    I am not a flat Earther but I can respect the view that the perspective of the writer of Genesis is that of a flat Earth.
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    As far as the light source before the Sun goes, I think in Revelation 23 it is saying that light is everywhere, like at the start in Genesis 1. On the first day the light is separated from the darkness. One way of doing this would be to put the light where the Sun was going to be and the darkness would be on the dark side of the earth.
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    Yep. Possibly.

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    Huh. All those hours wasted trying to figure out if Spider-man could adhere to things by the skin on his back, I could have been retconning Genesis to try to make sense out of the story...

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    Quote Originally Posted by excreationist View Post
    In Genesis 1, the days involve an "evening" and "morning" but only some parts of the earth would be in that time of day - areas on the opposite side would have the opposite time of day. So which part of earth is it in respect to? The garden of Eden? But dry land only appeared on the third day, so initially the focus of the evening/morning would have been under water!

    But if the earth is flat and the whole earth is the same time of day then there is an absolute "morning" or "evening"... maybe that's what the writer had in mind.
    The real problem was that ancient people were stupid. What a bunch of morons. Imagine what it would look like if the Earth really was flat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronzeage View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by excreationist View Post
    In Genesis 1, the days involve an "evening" and "morning" but only some parts of the earth would be in that time of day - areas on the opposite side would have the opposite time of day. So which part of earth is it in respect to? The garden of Eden? But dry land only appeared on the third day, so initially the focus of the evening/morning would have been under water!

    But if the earth is flat and the whole earth is the same time of day then there is an absolute "morning" or "evening"... maybe that's what the writer had in mind.
    The real problem was that ancient people were stupid. What a bunch of morons. Imagine what it would look like if the Earth really was flat.
    It would look exactly like it does now to most people (that aren't high up in the air).

    The Earth may not be flat, but it is certainly "perfectly" smooth... and I live in the Rockies at over 9,000 feet above sea level.

    By "perfectly", I mean that no thing created by man has ever been made more smooth than the Earth has been made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronzeage View Post
    . Imagine what it would look like if the Earth really was flat.
    You mean, like, if traveling to a mountain, you see the mountain and the foothills at the same time?

    Or standing on the shore of a big lake, you see the other shore, not just hills that are behind the beach?

    Saiiing ships, the top sails, weatherdeck, and waterline all appear together?

    Or clouds! At sunrise, or sunset, the clouds get lit up at the same time as the lands they're over?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Nut View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by excreationist View Post
    In Genesis 1, the days involve an "evening" and "morning" but only some parts of the earth would be in that time of day - areas on the opposite side would have the opposite time of day. So which part of earth is it in respect to? The garden of Eden? But dry land only appeared on the third day, so initially the focus of the evening/morning would have been under water!

    But if the earth is flat and the whole earth is the same time of day then there is an absolute "morning" or "evening"... maybe that's what the writer had in mind.
    The real problem was that ancient people were stupid. What a bunch of morons. Imagine what it would look like if the Earth really was flat.
    It would look exactly like it does now to most people (that aren't high up in the air).

    The Earth may not be flat, but it is certainly "perfectly" smooth... and I live in the Rockies at over 9,000 feet above sea level.

    By "perfectly", I mean that no thing created by man has ever been made more smooth than the Earth has been made.
    [Citation needed]

    The Earth most assuredly is NOT as smooth as you claim here.

    Indeed, it's highly debatable whether Earth is as smooth as a billiard ball, and those are FAR from being the smoothest artefacts we have made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
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    . Imagine what it would look like if the Earth really was flat.
    You mean, like, if traveling to a mountain, you see the mountain and the foothills at the same time?

    Or standing on the shore of a big lake, you see the other shore, not just hills that are behind the beach?

    Saiiing ships, the top sails, weatherdeck, and waterline all appear together?

    Or clouds! At sunrise, or sunset, the clouds get lit up at the same time as the lands they're over?
    Right about the time it became important to understand that the Earth was a sphere, they figured it out. The only real question was how big a sphere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Nut View Post
    ...By "perfectly", I mean that no thing created by man has ever been made more smooth than the Earth has been made.

    "if this was the earth, the highest mountain and lowest valley would be about 14 metres apart"
    Last edited by excreationist; 10-27-2018 at 11:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Nut View Post
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    In Genesis 1, the days involve an "evening" and "morning" but only some parts of the earth would be in that time of day - areas on the opposite side would have the opposite time of day. So which part of earth is it in respect to? The garden of Eden? But dry land only appeared on the third day, so initially the focus of the evening/morning would have been under water!

    But if the earth is flat and the whole earth is the same time of day then there is an absolute "morning" or "evening"... maybe that's what the writer had in mind.
    The real problem was that ancient people were stupid. What a bunch of morons. Imagine what it would look like if the Earth really was flat.
    It would look exactly like it does now to most people (that aren't high up in the air).

    The Earth may not be flat, but it is certainly "perfectly" smooth... and I live in the Rockies at over 9,000 feet above sea level.

    By "perfectly", I mean that no thing created by man has ever been made more smooth than the Earth has been made.
    You need to get out more. The mirrors on the new James Webb Space Telescope are polished to an "average" roughness that is several thousand times more smooth than the Earth's surface.

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    cool! Interesting to know. Someone get Neil deGrasse Tyson up to speed too! Them scientists sure LOOK like they just make shit up.

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