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    Theories Of The Gaps

    I had an odd little thought while reading some damned blog where some Christian apologists were mixing rank theology and Christian apologisms with philosophy and metaphysics. We are all familiar with the idea of "the God Of The Gaps", where any little gap in knowledge is a place to smuggle in God as an explanation. But I realized we can see the same sort of thing in metaphysics. If something in metaphysics is not provable, than any bad metaphysics with an agenda is stuffed into that gap. One can divorce any metaphysical idea from reality by this trick.

    This is why i hate metaphysics.
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    Modern (non-theist) cosmology and particle physics is beginning to jettison strict, empirical verificationism in lieu of elegant theories. Why? Because they know we have hit the wall so to speak in terms of our knowledge horizon.

    We literally lack the resources and we are certainly running out of the time needed to (scientifically) answer the big questions. Plus each new discovery simply pushes the horizon of our knowledge further and further off into the distance.

    We are discovering more and bigger gaps than the ones we are filling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    Modern (non-theist) cosmology and particle physics is beginning to jettison strict, empirical verificationism in lieu of elegant theories. Why? Because they know we have hit the wall so to speak in terms of our knowledge horizon.

    We literally lack the resources and we are certainly running out of the time needed to (scientifically) answer the big questions. Plus each new discovery simply pushes the horizon of our knowledge further and further off into the distance.

    We are discovering more and bigger gaps than the ones we are filling.
    Why are we running out of time? In science, lack of information that can be verified simply means a possible idea lacks proof that allows it to be a theory. Scientist realize that no matter what strange answers the evidence leads to...it is still the correct answer. This doesn't mean we throw all our knowledge out and start over, but we spend the resources needed to figure things out.

    We can only see so far back in time (presently) but some day may sit on the event horizon of a black hole and be able to measure much, much more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    Modern (non-theist) cosmology and particle physics is beginning to jettison strict, empirical verificationism in lieu of elegant theories.
    No, it isn't.
    Why? Because they know we have hit the wall so to speak in terms of our knowledge horizon.

    We literally lack the resources and we are certainly running out of the time needed to (scientifically) answer the big questions.
    We cannot be running out of time. We have (literally) all the time in the world. And we have only been doing the whole 'science' thing in earnest for about three centuries - and the physics underlying the everyday world is now completely understood. All of the unknowns are with regard to things smaller than an atomic nucleus, or larger than our solar system.
    Plus each new discovery simply pushes the horizon of our knowledge further and further off into the distance.
    Of course it fucking does. That's the whole point of the exercise.

    We are discovering more and bigger gaps than the ones we are filling.
    No, we aren't.

    You don't have a single clue what is or isn't known; Nor even what it means to know things. You are less qualified to comment on this subject than my cat. Go and learn some physics; You are just making a fool of yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OLDMAN View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    Modern (non-theist) cosmology and particle physics is beginning to jettison strict, empirical verificationism in lieu of elegant theories. Why? Because they know we have hit the wall so to speak in terms of our knowledge horizon.

    We literally lack the resources and we are certainly running out of the time needed to (scientifically) answer the big questions. Plus each new discovery simply pushes the horizon of our knowledge further and further off into the distance.

    We are discovering more and bigger gaps than the ones we are filling.
    Why are we running out of time? In science, lack of information that can be verified simply means a possible idea lacks proof that allows it to be a theory. Scientist realize that no matter what strange answers the evidence leads to...it is still the correct answer. This doesn't mean we throw all our knowledge out and start over, but we spend the resources needed to figure things out.

    We can only see so far back in time (presently) but some day may sit on the event horizon of a black hole and be able to measure much, much more.
    We are running out of time because the events we most want to study are getting further and further away. The trail is literally getting colder. Harder to detect. We don't have very long to observe the available evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    We are running out of time because the events we most want to study are getting further and further away. The trail is literally getting colder. Harder to detect. We don't have very long to observe the available evidence.
    Even if the expansion of the universe meant scientists might never find what came before the "big bang", so what? What does that mean irt the god of the gaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    We are running out of time because the events we most want to study are getting further and further away. The trail is literally getting colder. Harder to detect. We don't have very long to observe the available evidence.
    Even if the expansion of the universe meant scientists might never find what came before the "big bang", so what? What does that mean irt the god of the gaps?
    The religious are conditioned to believe that there is absolutely no question that can not be answered so they cringe when anyone answers their questions with, "we don't know... yet". However fill that as yet unknown with god spackle and they can sleep comfortably.

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    Heh, so I'm supposed to feel fright and grasp at a cozy answer before it's too late. That's hilarious.

    Actually I find "I-don't-know-ism" kinda thrilling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalbip View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    We are running out of time because the events we most want to study are getting further and further away. The trail is literally getting colder. Harder to detect. We don't have very long to observe the available evidence.
    Even if the expansion of the universe meant scientists might never find what came before the "big bang", so what? What does that mean irt the god of the gaps?
    The religious are conditioned to believe that there is absolutely no question that can not be answered so they cringe when anyone answers their questions with, "we don't know... yet". However fill that as yet unknown with god spackle and they can sleep comfortably.
    Make up your mind.
    You accuse biblical theists of appealing to God's mysterious ways when they/we admit our inability to explain God with mathematical degrees of precision. And then you accuse us of doing quite the opposite - being "conditioned to believe that there is absolutely no question that can not be answered".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalbip View Post

    The religious are conditioned to believe that there is absolutely no question that can not be answered so they cringe when anyone answers their questions with, "we don't know... yet". However fill that as yet unknown with god spackle and they can sleep comfortably.
    Make up your mind.
    You accuse biblical theists of appealing to God's mysterious ways when they/we admit our inability to explain God with mathematical degrees of precision. And then you accuse us of doing quite the opposite - being "conditioned to believe that there is absolutely no question that can not be answered".
    That was consistency. An answer from a priest of "I don't know" is not acceptable to the flock -they expect an answer. However, the answer "goddidit" or "It was god's will" is enough god spackle to calm even the most curious - their question was answered so they can get a good night's sleep.

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