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    Israelites were nomadic during their plight of wandering. One should understand the methods needed,when Nomads would have some preferred logical method to record their way-of-life, be it in song, poetry, passed down orally or .. written on, easy to roll-up and take-with-you, parchments of paper /skin (which would need to be renewed or copied periodically like the OT).

    To state the obvious: who carries around with them large blocks of stone to record their journeys?

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    Actually, if you read the bible, you will see that the Israelites left Egypt with all the treasure contained in the country. So they had a lot of stuff, reportedly. Also, the Sinai Peninsula is not very large, so it doesn't take 40 years to go around it. They spent a long timed encamped, and biblical scholars had located it tentatively, and the archaelogical expeditions were sent out with these locations in mind. NOW, of course, people make up the story that these were impoverished nomads moving from place to place, when the bible says they were looters with a massive amount of swag and livestock.

    The Israelites were moving from a settled condition to a settled condition. They weren't going to adopt the culture of nomads for such a temporary time.

    And having lived in Egypt, they would know the secret of papyrus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheerful Charlie View Post
    One of the interesting aspect of Exodus, is the utter lack of Egyptians in Canaan Moses or Joshua had to deal with. Egypt more or less dominated Canaan until the era of Rameses VI, far too late to account for exodus. The earliest hill top settlements were already to be found by then.

    There was a period of time during the ear of the Amarana letters where Egypt ruled much of Canaan with native born Canaanite leaders as proxies. The sons of such chiefs were sent to Egypt to be taught and groomed for that office. And these people were proud of their positions. I have always thought it possible that the idea of Egyptian captivity was a distorted memory of the days where Egypt's pharoahs and village chiefs had a working relationship to ensure peace in the area of Canaan.
    There is the school of thought which maintains that the Israelites ARE the Canaanite Egyptians, loosed from imperial restraint dye to increasing chaos, with a new backstory to tie them to the land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarpedon View Post
    Actually, if you read the bible, you will see that the Israelites left Egypt with all the treasure contained in the country. So they had a lot of stuff, reportedly. Also, the Sinai Peninsula is not very large, so it doesn't take 40 years to go around it. They spent a long timed encamped, and biblical scholars had located it tentatively, and the archaelogical expeditions were sent out with these locations in mind. NOW, of course, people make up the story that these were impoverished nomads moving from place to place, when the bible says they were looters with a massive amount of swag and livestock.

    The Israelites were moving from a settled condition to a settled condition. They weren't going to adopt the culture of nomads for such a temporary time.
    I don't doubt they would have taken as much as possible for the long exodus, and, they would have reached the promised land a lot sooner than 40 years, not because of the size of the Sinai Peninsula. As read in the bible :

    Numbers 32:13

    13 And the Lord'S anger was kindled against Israel, and he made them wander in the wilderness forty years, until all the generation, that had done evil in the sight of the Lord, was consumed.


    I say nomadic in the sense that the Israelites have for some time been tent dwellers e.g. tabernacle etc..

    And having lived in Egypt, they would know the secret of papyrus.
    Sounds right, and they would know other methods later, like; parchments made of animal skin, in which they had plenty of animal stock for supply, whereas, producing papyrus from plants would perhaps depend on the availability near the location they'd be camped on.
    Last edited by Learner; 12-06-2018 at 03:58 AM. Reason: correction

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    A Jew who used to post here Saud 40 meant a while.

    It rained for fury days and nights
    Jesus went walkabout in the desert for 40 days

    And so on.

    A New Your Minute
    In a heartbeat
    I'm going light speed

    Imagine 3000 years from now interrupting written speech from today using only a dictionary and literal meanings. Loke a Johnny Carson or Jay Leno monologue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    A Jew who used to post here Saud 40 meant a while.

    It rained for fury days and nights
    Jesus went walkabout in the desert for 40 days

    And so on.

    A New Your Minute
    In a heartbeat
    I'm going light speed

    Imagine 3000 years from now interrupting written speech from today using only a dictionary and literal meanings. Loke a Johnny Carson or Jay Leno monologue.
    That is just one of many problems with "literalism".

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    Don't argue with me, argue with the biblical scholars.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kadesh_(biblical)

    It is their consensus that the bible supports the idea that the longest length of time was spent camping in this location.

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