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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolly_Penguin View Post
    It boggles my mind how anyone could think that a profit oriented medical insurance system would somehow cost LESS. Profit seeking health insurance companies don't make it somehow cheaper. *scratches head*

    Moreover, when we're all in it together via univeral single payer, we gain reason to push other health programs and encourage healthy living for the whole community. Everything from fitness to pollution to preventative medicine becomes relevant in a way it just isn't in a "I've got mine" sort of system.
    Well...

    Profit seeking has brought down the prices in almost every industry, the few exceptions being those with heavy government involvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    I am really surprised at Kamala quitting now. She qualified for the 6th debate in her back yard. I'd think she would hold out at least until that home game, hoping for a 2nd wind. In any case, she is doing much better than a number of other candidates. I mean ¡Hulian! and Corey must be hurting for money even more than Kamala, and they are certainly doing worse in polls.

    Maybe somebody (Bloomberg?) promised her the Veep slot if she quit now.
    There have been rumors for days that her campaign was in total disarray, and her staff were leaving a sinking ship. I guess she realizes that at this point, she's fighting a losing battle. I guess some of the other candidates aren't ready to give up yet. I saw Julian Castro interviewed just yesterday. He sounded unreasonable and irrationally exuberant about his chances of becoming the nominee. Maybe he was just pretending, and will drop out soon, but there are plenty of others who aren't gaining any steam but are refusing to drop out. So, it's anybody's guess who will be next. Maybe they feel if they stay in, they might get a cabinet job if the Democratic nominee wins in the general. Who knows!

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    Quote Originally Posted by southernhybrid View Post
    These guessing games are pretty funny. I read an article yesterday about how black primary voters might help get Biden nominated. I showed it to a black friend of mine who believes that Biden is the best candidate. She really, really likes Biden and has no positive feelings for any of the other candidates.


    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...delegates.html


    Southern states and urban areas to help him accrue the 1,990 delegates needed to clinch the nomination.

    It might work. That’s because an overwhelming majority of delegates are awarded from areas more racially diverse than Iowa and New Hampshire. If Mr. Biden retains his strength with black voters, he’d have a structural advantage in the nomination race that is greater than his uneven lead in national polls suggests.

    Think of it this way: Candidates gain delegates based on voting in both states and districts, which are Congressional districts in all but a few places. While Iowa and New Hampshire may generate political momentum for a winner because they vote first, the two states award very few delegates. By contrast, a candidate who is popular in California, Texas and predominantly black districts in the South could pick up big shares of delegates.

    A recent poll shows Mr. Biden at 44 percent among black voters in South Carolina, the early voting state with a majority-black Democratic electorate, and a historic harbinger for how the South will vote. The same poll had Mr. Biden’s next closest competitor, Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, trailing him by more than 30 percentage points among black voters.
    I really don't think anyone has a clue as to who will be the Democratic nominee. Some people aren't even paying attention yet, and won't until a few weeks before the primaries. Lots of people keep changing their minds and some can't decide who they might want. I'm not making any predictions.

    There are a small percentage of black voters who aren't religious, but I don't see that as important. Every single black person I know personally has told me that they will vote for whoever becomes the nominee. I have one black friend who has changed her mind three times already. First she wanted Booker, then Biden and the last time I asked her, she was thinking of supporting Warren. If I see her tomorrow, I'll ask her who she supports this week. .
    I'm baffled by the continued assumption that people vote according to their "bloc" at all. Correlation is not causation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Politesse View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by southernhybrid View Post
    These guessing games are pretty funny. I read an article yesterday about how black primary voters might help get Biden nominated. I showed it to a black friend of mine who believes that Biden is the best candidate. She really, really likes Biden and has no positive feelings for any of the other candidates.


    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...delegates.html


    Southern states and urban areas to help him accrue the 1,990 delegates needed to clinch the nomination.

    It might work. That’s because an overwhelming majority of delegates are awarded from areas more racially diverse than Iowa and New Hampshire. If Mr. Biden retains his strength with black voters, he’d have a structural advantage in the nomination race that is greater than his uneven lead in national polls suggests.

    Think of it this way: Candidates gain delegates based on voting in both states and districts, which are Congressional districts in all but a few places. While Iowa and New Hampshire may generate political momentum for a winner because they vote first, the two states award very few delegates. By contrast, a candidate who is popular in California, Texas and predominantly black districts in the South could pick up big shares of delegates.

    A recent poll shows Mr. Biden at 44 percent among black voters in South Carolina, the early voting state with a majority-black Democratic electorate, and a historic harbinger for how the South will vote. The same poll had Mr. Biden’s next closest competitor, Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, trailing him by more than 30 percentage points among black voters.
    I really don't think anyone has a clue as to who will be the Democratic nominee. Some people aren't even paying attention yet, and won't until a few weeks before the primaries. Lots of people keep changing their minds and some can't decide who they might want. I'm not making any predictions.

    There are a small percentage of black voters who aren't religious, but I don't see that as important. Every single black person I know personally has told me that they will vote for whoever becomes the nominee. I have one black friend who has changed her mind three times already. First she wanted Booker, then Biden and the last time I asked her, she was thinking of supporting Warren. If I see her tomorrow, I'll ask her who she supports this week. .
    I'm baffled by the continued assumption that people vote according to their "bloc" at all. Correlation is not causation.
    Who said people all vote according to their bloc? All the article I posted said is that Biden is very popular among black voters, not that all black voters support Biden. He has the support of about 44% in SC. Nobody said anything about people voting as a bloc. That wasn't at all my interpretation of the article. Still, certain candidates are popular among certain groups. I read recently that most of Mayor Pete's supporters are white and over 65. Most of Sanders' supporters are younger. That doesn't imply that any of these groups are all planning on voting according to their bloc, It's just based on surveys among certain groups of people.

    Maybe I'm not reading you right. My primary point is that nobody really knows what will be the result of the primaries, as so many people aren't sure who they will support. And, many keep changing their minds. Don't you agree with that?

    I'm interested in seeing if Bloomberg gets any support. My sister in New Jersey likes him, but I don't think many people outside of New York metro do. Does that mean that all New York moderates want Bloomberg? No, I don't think so. I've seen quite few celebrities drooling over the possibility of a Bloomberg candidacy, but my friends are not a all attracted to him and neither am I. This is about the nuttiest, most confusing primary mess I've ever seen. Maybe I just have more time to pay attention to it, or maybe it's more worrisome considering all I really care about is getting rid of Trump. I don't know. None of the candidates really impress me and that's a bit disturbing, as I'm not the only one who feels that way. On the other hand, I've seen commenters in major news sources say that the Democrats have a large list of very attractive candidates. Perception obviously varies from person to person.

    This is going to be a mess if nobody gets the needed number of delegates, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by southernhybrid View Post
    This is going to be a mess if nobody gets the needed number of delegates, isn't it?
    The superdelegates may then decide. If they don't give anyone a victory, then the convention will be a brokered one, a reversion to the days when party bosses in smoke-filled rooms chose candidates. Smoke-filled rooms? Nowadays it might be dry-ice "smoke".


    Anand Giridharadas on Twitter: "At @KamalaHarris's lowest moments in the polls, she has outpolled @MikeBloomberg. That she is now out and he's just getting started tells you so much about how money, power, race, and gender work in America." / Twitter

    Anand Giridharadas on Twitter: "@KamalaHarris @MikeBloomberg So don't tell me @MikeBloomberg is too rich to be corrupt. His candidacy incarnates the fundamental corruption at the heart of our political order." / Twitter

    Douglas Emhoff on Twitter: "I’ve got you. As always.❤️ https://t.co/5OJDT3cDfw" / Twitter
    Showing him, Kamala Harris's husband, hugging KH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southernhybrid View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Politesse View Post

    I'm baffled by the continued assumption that people vote according to their "bloc" at all. Correlation is not causation.
    Who said people all vote according to their bloc? All the article I posted said is that Biden is very popular among black voters, not that all black voters support Biden. He has the support of about 44% in SC. Nobody said anything about people voting as a bloc. That wasn't at all my interpretation of the article. Still, certain candidates are popular among certain groups. I read recently that most of Mayor Pete's supporters are white and over 65. Most of Sanders' supporters are younger. That doesn't imply that any of these groups are all planning on voting according to their bloc, It's just based on surveys among certain groups of people.

    Maybe I'm not reading you right. My primary point is that nobody really knows what will be the result of the primaries, as so many people aren't sure who they will support. And, many keep changing their minds. Don't you agree with that?

    I'm interested in seeing if Bloomberg gets any support. My sister in New Jersey likes him, but I don't think many people outside of New York metro do. Does that mean that all New York moderates want Bloomberg? No, I don't think so. I've seen quite few celebrities drooling over the possibility of a Bloomberg candidacy, but my friends are not a all attracted to him and neither am I. This is about the nuttiest, most confusing primary mess I've ever seen. Maybe I just have more time to pay attention to it, or maybe it's more worrisome considering all I really care about is getting rid of Trump. I don't know. None of the candidates really impress me and that's a bit disturbing, as I'm not the only one who feels that way. On the other hand, I've seen commenters in major news sources say that the Democrats have a large list of very attractive candidates. Perception obviously varies from person to person.

    This is going to be a mess if nobody gets the needed number of delegates, isn't it?
    I didn't think I was disagreeing with you.

    As for Bloomberg, I'd be appalled. And it would be pretty embarrassing if the Democrats tried to put him on the stump, at the same time as trying to nail Trump on the emoluments clause.

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    I am suspending my campaign today - Kamala Harris - Medium
    I’ve taken stock and looked at this from every angle, and over the last few days have come to one of the hardest decisions of my life.

    My campaign for president simply doesn’t have the financial resources we need to continue.

    I’m not a billionaire. I can’t fund my own campaign. And as the campaign has gone on, it’s become harder and harder to raise the money we need to compete.

    In good faith, I can’t tell you, my supporters and volunteers, that I have a path forward if I don’t believe I do.

    So, to you my supporters, it is with deep regret — but also with deep gratitude — that I am suspending my campaign today.
    But she will keep fighting for a variety of causes: improved teacher pay, better gun control, blocking anti-abortion laws, paying attention to black women and people of color, ...

    She then expressed gratitude to her husband, her family, her friends, her staffers, her campaign volunteers and her campaign workers who have sacrificed so much and done so much work on her behalf. "It has been the honor of my life to be your candidate. ... Let’s keep fighting for the America we believe in, an America free of injustice. An America that we know we can be unburdened by what has been."

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpetrich View Post
    I am suspending my campaign today - Kamala Harris - Medium
    I’ve taken stock and looked at this from every angle, and over the last few days have come to one of the hardest decisions of my life.

    My campaign for president simply doesn’t have the financial resources we need to continue.

    I’m not a billionaire. I can’t fund my own campaign. And as the campaign has gone on, it’s become harder and harder to raise the money we need to compete.

    In good faith, I can’t tell you, my supporters and volunteers, that I have a path forward if I don’t believe I do.

    So, to you my supporters, it is with deep regret — but also with deep gratitude — that I am suspending my campaign today.
    But she will keep fighting for a variety of causes: improved teacher pay, better gun control, blocking anti-abortion laws, paying attention to black women and people of color, ...

    She then expressed gratitude to her husband, her family, her friends, her staffers, her campaign volunteers and her campaign workers who have sacrificed so much and done so much work on her behalf. "It has been the honor of my life to be your candidate. ... Let’s keep fighting for the America we believe in, an America free of injustice. An America that we know we can be unburdened by what has been."
    Only good news of the day. I wonder who will "get her voters"?

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    What Happened to Kamala Harris? - GEN - "Many of Harris’ wounds were self-inflicted, but her downfall also shows just how much Trump’s racism and sexism have influenced the 2020 playing field"
    Harris was the only Black woman running for president, and the only person of color to qualify for the next debate (so far). Candidates who remain in the race include a mayor who won office with fewer than 10,000 votes, two billionaires who entered the race at the 11th hour, and a former congressman who launched his campaign in July 2017 but has never won significant support in the polls. All of them are white men.
    It was a brave start.
    “I stand before you today, clear-eyed about the fight ahead and what has to be done — with faith in God, with fidelity to country, and with the fighting spirit I got from my mother. I stand before you today to announce my candidacy for President of the United States,” she said at her campaign launch. “I’m running for president because I love my country. I love my country. I’m running to be president, of the people, by the people, and for all people.”
    KH tried to give herself a policy identity between Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren on her left, and Joe Biden and Pete Buttigieg on her right, without much success. Then there was her record as a prosecutor and all the squabbling behind the scenes of her campaign.

    But electability was a nagging worry.
    The fear that a country that preferred Trump to Hillary Clinton is not close to being ready for a woman president, much less a woman of color president, plagued her campaign from early on.

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