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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiprHead View Post
    Tonight it will be Bernie's turn to get that beating.
    IMO, if they go all in on Republican talking points and out-of-context smears against Bernie and succeed then it's probably a disaster for the Democratic Party. Talking for weeks about "unity" and "blue no matter who" implying Bernie supporters need to get in line if he's not the nominee, then burning that bridge the moment Bernie is the frontrunner will only turn his significant number of supporters against the party completely.

    No, focusing on policy and trying to prove why that policy is better for the nation is the way to fight Bernie. If you can't accomplish that and he does then he deserves to be the nominee, that's the way it works.

    I read an interesting interview with a latino voter in Nevada ... when asked why he voted for Bernie he said that Bernie was the only candidate running ads in Spanish so he was literally the only candidate latino voters saw on their TV's giving any sort of shit about them.

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    Ocasio-Cortez suggests a Bloomberg presidency would pave the way for 'a worse Trump' | TheHill
    "Obviously, we have to beat Trump, but if we beat Trump and go back to the same policies that we had before, a worse Trump is going to come. A Trump that’s more sophisticated, whose fascism is less obvious, is going to come, and things could get even worse," Ocasio-Cortez, a prominent campaign surrogate for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), said during a discussion about Bloomberg on "The Breakfast Club" radio show.
    Despite all his bragging about how he is the best at everything he does, Trump isn't very competent, and some psychologists suspect that he has some early stage of dementia. MB has much more political savvy, and an actual political career that he can point to. He is also better-mannered -- he doesn't do name-calling.

    As to a possibility of a Trump-successor fascist, that seems rather plausible - someone willing to get the sort of support that he has, but with better ability to disguise what he is going.
    Ocasio-Cortez was also critical of Bloomberg's record, "from stop and frisk to the surge in housing costs in New York City to even his own history on redlining to how he talks about transgender people."
    MB has gotten support from some black politicians, but AOC suspects that MB has been trying to buy support.
    "We lived under his tenure as mayor. We know exactly what he did, and this is part of what he’s doing, when he comes in, swoops in super late in the game, with billions of dollars at his disposal and is able to shower the airwaves with his cash," she said. "People see what he’s done with his money ... without seeing what he’s actually done with his power."
    She also said in that interview that she thinks that political redemption is possible, but that it has to be earned. Announcing it shortly before one's run for President isn't very convincing.

    But it can happen. Hugo Black went from wearing white robes and scaring black people to wearing black robes and scaring white people.

    Early in his political career, HB joined the Ku Klux Klan to promote that career. But he insists that he was always law-abiding, meaning that he wasn't involved in KKK terrorism. Later in life, he was appointed to the Supreme Court, and he helped write some important civil-rights decisions.

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    AOC follows the tradition of socialists and communists calling everybody who is not socialist


    Despite all his bragging about how he is the best at everything he does, Trump isn't very competent, and some psychologists suspect that he has some early stage of dementia. MB has much more political savvy, and an actual political career that he can point to. He is also better-mannered -- he doesn't do name-calling.
    He is also very well educated - Bachelors in EE from Johns Hopkins and an MBA from Harvard - and much more competent than FFvC.

    MB has gotten support from some black politicians, but AOC suspects that MB has been trying to buy support.
    And promising free college education, even at private colleges, for black students, as her commanding officer has done, is not trying to buy support of black people?

    "We lived under his tenure as mayor. We know exactly what he did,
    I don't agree with everything Bloomy has done, but overall I think his three terms as mayor were pretty successful. He was certainly doing a much better job than the new guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodchild View Post
    I read an interesting interview with a latino voter in Nevada ... when asked why he voted for Bernie he said that Bernie was the only candidate running ads in Spanish so he was literally the only candidate latino voters saw on their TV's giving any sort of shit about them.
    Immigrants who originally speak languages other than Spanish don't get ads in their native tongues either. Besides, if you become citizen, you should know English anyway and thus regular ads in English should be speaking to you as much as to any other American. This Spandering is really going on my nerves!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiprHead View Post
    Bloomberg is toast.
    I don't think so. He had one bad debate, that's not a death knell. He is doing relatively well in national polls and many of the Super Tuesday states. He will get many delegates there, especially if Biden disappoints on Saturday.

    I just heard on the radio an hour ago his approval rating dropped 30 points after Warren gave him a trash can beating in the debate.
    If anybody is toast it's her. She might win MA, but that's it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Goodchild View Post
    I read an interesting interview with a latino voter in Nevada ... when asked why he voted for Bernie he said that Bernie was the only candidate running ads in Spanish so he was literally the only candidate latino voters saw on their TV's giving any sort of shit about them.
    Immigrants who originally speak languages other than Spanish don't get ads in their native tongues either. Besides, if you become citizen, you should know English anyway and thus regular ads in English should be speaking to you as much as to any other American. This Spandering is really going on my nerves!
    Spanish has been the lingua franca in the American Southwest since the Spanish colonization of the Americas from the 16th to 18th centuries. Anyone who hopes to become President should already know that.

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    Meanwhile. What America can look forward to should the Bern by some miracle win in both the Presidency as well as the house come November.

    https://cms.frontpagemag.com/point/2...iel-greenfield

    Venezuela is a miserable socialist hellhole.

    But the Bernie Sanders site still proudly boasts the op-ed with the closing comments, "These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who's the banana republic now?"

    Here's what the Bernie Dream is like in Venezuela.

    One of every three people in Venezuela is struggling to put enough food on the table to meet minimum nutrition requirements as the nation’s severe economic contraction and political upheaval persists, according to a study published Sunday by the U.N. World Food Program.

    A nationwide survey based on data from 8,375 questionnaires reveals a startling picture of the large number of Venezuelans surviving off a diet consisting largely of tubers and beans as hyperinflation renders many salaries worthless.

    The survey found that 74% of families have adopted “food-related coping strategies,” such as reducing the variety and quality of food they eat. Sixty percent of households reported cutting portion sizes in meals, 33% said they had accepted food as payment for work and 20% reported selling family assets to cover basic needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ZiprHead View Post
    Bloomberg is toast.
    I don't think so. He had one bad debate, that's not a death knell. He is doing relatively well in national polls and many of the Super Tuesday states. He will get many delegates there, especially if Biden disappoints on Saturday.

    I just heard on the radio an hour ago his approval rating dropped 30 points after Warren gave him a trash can beating in the debate.
    If anybody is toast it's her. She might win MA, but that's it.
    Now, according to those who review debates, he's had two bad debates. I honestly don't see how he's going to pick up enough steam at this point to surpass the others. He's not even on the ballot in SC, so his last chance will be Super Tuesday.

    The reason, as you probably know, that Bernie is so far ahead at this point, is because the more moderate lane hasn't shrunk down enough. It's very similar to how Trump won his nomination. He was the outsider who didn't really fit in, but the other candidates, who were less exciting, stayed in the race too long, and Trump ended up winning the nomination.

    Every statistic I've read gives Bernie less than 35 or 40% support, but as long as he's up against four more moderate candidates, it will likely be easy for him to swing to victory. Plus, let's not forget the the man has been campaigning for this at least since 2015. He has a strong base and lots of money. To me, he looks and sounds like he's a bit nuts, but compared to Trump, I can find the motivation to vote for him if I must. I will vote for someone else in the primary, just because he's not my first choice, but you and I don't vote until after Super Tuesday, and by then we might have a non stoppable Sanders.

    I'm not worried about his plans. I don't think they are affordable, but neither does most of Congress. Hopefully, if Bernie does become president, he will learn to compromise if he wants to accomplish anything.

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    Real Clear Politics

    Sanders - 49.7%
    Trump - 45.3%

    Sanders by 4.4%

    Ruling out Sanders vs Trumpo The Clown at this point is merely wishful thinking.
    Cheerful Charlie

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