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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    In Akron, run by Democrats, there is no cost for breakfast or lunch.
    TANSTAAFL!

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    The Big Roadblock For Bernie Sanders' Agenda | HuffPost - Medicare for All. It will be hard to get that through Congress, so it may be necessary for some compromise like a "public option". This would produce an Australia-like system, where both private and public insurance systems coexist.

    One will need 218 votes on the House floor to pass it, then 60 votes in the Senate, unless it weakens or abolishes the filibuster.
    A president can’t wave a magic wand and pass any legislation they want,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) told HuffPost this week.

    Ocasio-Cortez ― one of the most outspoken advocates for Medicare for All ― said she thought voters understood there was an “inherent check” on the president’s ability to actually change things like our health care system. And she argued that the realities of governing were actually an argument for someone like Sanders, as he’d be able to push Democrats and resulting changes further left.

    But Ocasio-Cortez is also realistic about how far even a President Sanders could actually move Congress.

    “The worst-case scenario? We compromise deeply and we end up getting a public option. Is that a nightmare? I don’t think so,” she said.

    Ocasio-Cortez stressed that just getting a public option for health care wasn’t the left’s ultimate goal. But she also said she wasn’t here to railroad other members with differing viewpoints on health care ― she just thinks it helps to have a president who has a more ambitious platform than Congress so that Democrats could stretch what’s possible.
    The House's Medicare-for-All caucus currently has 70 out of 435, and some of them seem to want some buy-in system rather than eliminate private insurance entirely.

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    More:
    As Rep. Jared Huffman (D-Calif.) put it, Democrats are still years away from reaching a critical mass on Medicare for All. And he noted that there would be “tremendous resistance” to enacting much of what Sanders and other progressives in Congress want.

    “That’s just the nature of our political tapestry,” he said.
    Alexandra Jaffe on Twitter: "AOC on likelihood of M4A getting passed: “The worst-case scenario? We compromise deeply and we end up getting a public option. Is that a nightmare? I don’t think so,” she said. (H/t @eschor) https://t.co/nbI4TBkgJI" / Twitter
    then
    Neera Tanden on Twitter: "The people who attacked Warren for her not taking the maximalist position on M4A owe her an apology
    Because apparently intermediary steps are now ok. https://t.co/EL0V5SdQTV" / Twitter

    A president isn't going to poof it in.
    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "@neeratanden FYI, I speak for myself as a member of Congress- if I were speaking on behalf of a campaign, I’d say so!
    2nd I think there’s a legitimate convo btwn starting with what you want & starting w/ compromise. I believe a public option is worse than M4A, so we should fight for M4A 1st." / Twitter


    So AOC regards a public option as a step in the road to M4A. I think that that is a reasonable position. It's better than Obama's compromising in advance.

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "@neeratanden Ironically, the context of this quote is me pointing out how the failure of ACA negotiations resulted in killing the public option 10 years ago. I think it’s an important case study to examine, regardless of where one ultimately lands on the issue." / Twitter

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    I was posting on this because some Bernie Sanders supporters consider Elizabeth Warren a sellout for not supporting M4A right away. I think that phasing it in is a reasonable approach, and I also think that a public option is a reasonable compromise on the way to M4A.

    EW isn't doing very well, and IMO she is likely to throw in the towel before long. If she does, then she may want to make nice to BS as an ideologically similar candidate.

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    In reference to Mike Bloomberg:

    Anand Giridharadas on Twitter: "If your desire to beat Trump makes racism not a big deal for you while we are still in a primary with a chance to choose whom to run against Trump, then racism never was a big deal for you." / Twitter
    If your desire to beat Trump makes racism not a big deal for you while we are still in a primary with a chance to choose whom to run against Trump, then racism never was a big deal for you.

    I do not understand all the people telling me to pipe down about Biden's and Bloomberg's racism because Trump is in the White House.

    I am aware. I was pretty early to sound the alarm on him.

    But this is a primary. Which is exactly the perfect time to weed out racist candidates.

    Also, how long have you followed me?

    Pipe down for the sake of politeness?

    Unfollowing me will be easier for you.
    I don't think that Joe Biden is very racist. He's more like someone very short of clue. Like praising segregationist politicians for being very courteous without saying something like "They had horrible racial policies, but I've got to give them credit for being very courteous."

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    Naomi Klein on Twitter: "Read this whole thread. Please. What Bloomberg is doing is daylight robbery of an already profoundly precarious democracy. This is a moment for journalism to *step up.* It's a moral duty: Bloomberg's ad cash benefits our industry most. Use some of that dirty money to expose him. https://t.co/LOTO7WDxni" / Twitter
    Then a series of tweets from Blake Zeff @blakezeff
    The degree to which Michael Bloomberg is using his fortune to fundamentally alter & manipulate U.S. politics to his personal advantage extends way beyond ads. I've worked against him, covered him as a journalist & worked with his top aides. Here’s their playbook: (1/17)

    Let’s start with endorsements. Background: Bloomberg was a GOP mayor & Rudy Giuliani ally, whose police stopped innocent black men so often his tactics were ruled unconstitutional. So how did he possibly get key Democratic endorsements in NYC? Here’s one way 👇 2/17
    (buying the support of Rev. Calvin O. Butts III)

    But come on, it’s not like he can do that in *this* campaign. Sure he’s compiling a ton of random endorsements nationwide despite merely being a former mayor. But that’s because they loved his soda ban. Or his speaking style. Or...👇 3/17

    Mike Bloomberg Spent Millions To Put Them In Congress. Now, They're Endorsing Him. | HuffPost - "Three House Democrats supporting the billionaire for president received a total of $8.9 million from his super PAC in the 2018 midterms." - Rep. Harley Rouda of CA, Rep. Mikie Sherrill of NJ, and Rep. Haley Stevens of MI.

    In 2018, Mike spent $110 million to boost 24 candidates now in Congress. Turns out, giving people $2 million can be the start of a beautiful friendship. Then there are mayors: Want a grant from Bloomberg for new programs in your city...? 4/17

    Bloomberg Philanthropies Selects Top 35 Innovative Urban Ideas as Finalists in 2018 Mayors Challenge | Bloomberg Philanthropies

    You may also see “community groups” back Mike's candidacy. As mayor, non-profits supported him when he reversed a voter referendum on term limits & made a backroom deal to help himself get a 3rd term. How’d that happen, you ask? He applied himself.👇 5/17

    Charity Backing 3rd Term Got Millions From Bloomberg - The New York Times

    You may also see fewer critics bash Mike's candidacy than you’d expect. After changing parties from GOP to Independent in 2007 as mayor, the local GOP rarely attacked anything he did. How'd he pull that off? I’ll give you a million guesses... 6/17

    Bloomberg Gives Record $1M to State Senate GOP | WNYC News | WNYC

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    More Blake Zeff:
    Forget endorsements: This campaign has grassroots support! Mike held events in various states recently & got huge crowds. They were clearly inspired by that “Mike Will Get It Done” energy. But *this* probably didn’t hurt, either...👇 7/17

    (Catering for a Mike Bloomberg rally)

    Then there’s staff. Mike poaches talent away from other campaigns, by giving folks huge salaries & perks (catered meals, etc). His money also lets him hire more staff than all his opponents combined, while grassroots campaigns have to run on $18 checks from G’ma Millie. 8/17

    (His campaign workers get a MacBook and an iPhone 11, and eat 3 catered meals / day - New York Post)

    Mike's wealth even affects his rivals’ fundraising. Using his relationships with other rich donors, he’s personally asking them to sit the election out, so his rivals can't raise cash. Because having $61b to spend, versus $20mil for the other Dems, is too close for comfort 9/17

    Bloomberg Pursues Wealthy Donors, but Not Their Checkbooks - The New York Times

    This one I’ll just leave here. (10/17)

    Mike Bloomberg will pay you $150 to say nice things about him | US news | The Guardian - What will Bloomberg try to buy next? His campaign is quietly hiring Instagram influencers to make him seem cool.

    OK, let’s discuss the non-stop ads. Saturating the airwaves gives you the huge advantage of never needing media coverage - which means rarely having to submit to interviews or scrutiny. If they want, they can make sure this 👇 never happens again 11/17

    Bloomberg 2020 manager confronted over racial profiling record on live TV

    Let’s be honest: Ads also enable Mike to mislead voters without being corrected. One ad portrays him as Obama’s BFF, even though Mike didn’t back him in '08 & barely did in '12, when he scolded Obama for being partisan, divisive & populist. But few will see this pushback 👇 12/17

    (Because Joe Biden can't finance a lot of pushback, we see on TV a lot of ads of a Obama-Bloomberg team instead of the real Obama-Biden team)

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    Still more Blake Zeff:
    The issue’s not just that Mike’s ads help him “get his story out more.” It’s that they enable him to *craft* whatever story he wants, blast it to every voter 1000 times, & bypass the media. And if the story takes creative licenses, oh well. How will viewers ever find out? 13/17

    One reason it all works so well is that Mike & the team he was able to acquire, are smart. Other rich candidates have failed. But Mike's team has a combo that's rare - maybe even unprecedented - in U.S. politics: unlimited money, elite intelligence & Machiavellian ethics. 14/17

    For example, they know Mike has real vulnerabilities in the primary on issues & his GOP past. But they also know Dems hate Trump. So, that’s where the campaign turns all its focus. This achieves several things. First, makes him seem “above” the internal primary bickering. 15/17

    Also: Positions him as a general election candidate now, evades discussion of Dem primary issues where his record is toxic, & presents one of biggest GOP donors ever (Mike) as a loyal Dem who just wants to see Trump (his old golf pal) lose. So far, voters are lapping it up. 16/17

    3 months ago, polls found Mike Bloomberg “widely disliked” with the highest negatives in the race. Now he’s a top 3 contender for the Democratic nomination. One of the richest humans ever is trying to upend every part of the process. And this is just the stuff we know about. /END
    So he's the Democratic counterpart of Donald Trump. But he seems smarter and more level-headed and more politically savvy.

    Bloomberg Ad Compares Trump Quotes To Past Presidents | Video | RealClearPolitics
    Mike Bloomberg on Twitter: "Our country has a rich history of presidents who respected the power, decorum, and influence of their office.
    Unfortunately, that rich history ended the day Trump became president. https://t.co/3QEncsTiNA" / Twitter


    But a Trumpie might say that that shows how great Trump is, that he isn't willing to seem like some goody-goody weenie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpetrich View Post
    I was posting on this because some Bernie Sanders supporters consider Elizabeth Warren a sellout for not supporting M4A right away. I think that phasing it in is a reasonable approach, and I also think that a public option is a reasonable compromise on the way to M4A.

    EW isn't doing very well, and IMO she is likely to throw in the towel before long. If she does, then she may want to make nice to BS as an ideologically similar candidate.
    Problem was she DID support M4A and then backed off of this progressive position a little and that cut off a lot of her progressive support. She lacked centrist report from the start because she took the M4A position in the first place.

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