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    Quote Originally Posted by southernhybrid View Post
    I'm not a Sanders supporter but I keep telling my neighbor, a life long Democrat who despises Sanders, that she MUST vote for him if he is the nominee. She told me yesterday that she would need to take two Valium and then try not to think about it too much about it if she has to vote for Sanders. I told her not to look at the names, but just go Dem, right down the line.
    This is one of the biggest reasons why I detest what Sanders' team has done. They are pushing the exact same "anyone but Trump" button to support Sanders' candidacy that a significant percentage of them refused to push in 2016.

    They fucked the world over in 2016 because of voting their "conscience" (whatever the fuck that childish nonsense means) and are now pushing for a complete repudiation of voting on principle.

    Now that we screwed the pooch, we want you all to pretend it never happened and to do what you all tried to get us to do in 2016, but we refused to do. We know YOU will do it, because you're all actually knowledgeable about the process, while WE just worship a false messiah.

    Our own basket of deplorables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koyaanisqatsi View Post
    Now that we screwed the pooch,
    It was Hillary being a poor candidate, combined with her hubris and the staggering level of incompetence in her campaign that screwed the pooch.

    Don't put that on Sanders!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolly_Penguin View Post
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    Great job Bernie!
    Jolly: this must be a bad day for you. You can't condemn the knuckedragging Americans today as much!
    It's ok. I can still condemn you, Harry.

    I have been hoping for Bernie to win for years. It could be a sign of great progress in the US. An indicator that the people are going to rise and transform the nation into one that puts the people first.
    Then I hope you won't be too disappointed if he loses. It's been projected by some very intelligent, experienced political junkies, that Sanders would lose between 40 and 44 states if he's the nominee. I certainly hope that's not the case, but it could be. Can Sanders win in any swing states or any of the states like mine which are gradually becoming more progressive? I have grave concerns about that.

    I'm already reading Democrats comments in WaPo who are swearing they won't vote for him if he becomes the nominee. Some say they will stay home, while others say they will leave the presidential vote blank. Sanders has a lot of work to do if he expects to become more popular with voters who are less progressive and/or more centrist that he seems to be. I don't think you really understand the culture here very well, as evidenced by some of your comments. You probably don't realize all of the baggage that Sanders has that will be used by Republicans to try and defeat him. Will that work? Nobody knows for sure.

    US Americans love choices and Sanders is determined to take away some of those choices. I don't think he will accomplish his goals, but many people are too emotional when it comes to voting, so when they hear his plans, they shriek in horror. I'm more pragmatic. I will vote for the better candidate or in this case, the lesser of two evils. The platform matters little to me in this election. I'm more interested in who I think can win, and who can get things done. I don't see Sanders as that person. If he does become the nominee, I certainly hope I am wrong. I've voted so many times for people who I didn't like, only to watch them go down in defeat. This election is more important than any in my lifetime, so I can only hope that a candidate who I see as less than ideal, will still have a chance at victory.

    I also think it's very stupid if those who don't want Sanders decide not to vote at all. I felt the same way about Sanders supporters who voted third party in the 2016 election. I personally know several of them, so this is a possibility. I was hoping there would be a candidate who would be able to unite Democrats. I no longer see that as a possibility.

    Like most Americans, I can't wait until this mess is over. It's taking too long and freaking out too many people.

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    Is there any credible evidence that third party voting caused Trump's electoral college win, or is that just the DNC's answer to Trump's own conspiracy theory about uncounted millions of illegal voters? It's certainly incredible to blame Bernie himself, who campaigned vigorously on Clinton's behalf in the intervening months before the election at the cost of losing the confidence of many in his own disappointed voter base.

    I get that there were many third party voters in the swing states, but that's hardly unusual for a swing state. Bernie's strategy in both 2016 and 2020 has leaned heavily on attracting new voters to the polls, not winning over lifelong Democrats who would have voted for Hillary if not for him. It's part of what won him Nevada just now: giving a shit about new Latinx and younger votes considered irrelevant to other candidates, because in the past they either weren't a major deciding factor, or were assumed to simply belong to the Democrats somehow. Suggesting that Hillary would surely have won the same not very committed people over if Sanders weren't there is groundless hubris in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koyaanisqatsi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by southernhybrid View Post
    I'm not a Sanders supporter but I keep telling my neighbor, a life long Democrat who despises Sanders, that she MUST vote for him if he is the nominee. She told me yesterday that she would need to take two Valium and then try not to think about it too much about it if she has to vote for Sanders. I told her not to look at the names, but just go Dem, right down the line.
    This is one of the biggest reasons why I detest what Sanders' team has done. They are pushing the exact same "anyone but Trump" button to support Sanders' candidacy that a significant percentage of them refused to push in 2016.

    They fucked the world over in 2016 because of voting their "conscience" (whatever the fuck that childish nonsense means) and are now pushing for a complete repudiation of voting on principle.

    Now that we screwed the pooch, we want you all to pretend it never happened and to do what you all tried to get us to do in 2016, but we refused to do. We know YOU will do it, because you're all actually knowledgeable about the process, while WE just worship a false messiah.

    Our own basket of deplorables.
    That's just how Putin wants you to feel. The only way to beat Putin is to have the presence of mind to do what needs to be done. This is information warfare and Putin will use our own media to supply all the woe needed to continue to divide us.

    I will support and vote for Bernie if and when the time comes. If nothing else, we'll at least have adherence to the rule of law. In these times, that's enough.
    Dwight

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    ELECTION
    It's not just bros: Sanders wins with a diverse coalition


    Put "Bernie Bros" on the back-burner.

    It's the army of sobrinos and sobrinas — the Spanish words for nephews and nieces — who should strike fear in the hearts of Bernie Sanders' rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination and party elites after he ran up the score among Latino voters in the Nevada caucuses Saturday. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., and other Latino backers of Sanders refer to him fondly as their "tío," or uncle.

    Sanders was the choice of 54 percent of Hispanic caucus-goers Saturday on his way to steamrolling to the most convincing victory of the primary season, according to an NBC entrance poll. His closest competitor, former Vice President Joe Biden, racked up 14 percent, with no other candidate cracking double digits.
    When conservatives realize they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will abandon democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Koyaanisqatsi View Post
    Now that we screwed the pooch,
    It was Hillary being a poor candidate, combined with her hubris and the staggering level of incompetence in her campaign that screwed the pooch.

    Don't put that on Sanders!
    Do you really think that she was a "poor candidate" with a "staggering level of incompetence"? That seems pretty harsh. Sure, she lost the states. Should have defended Wisconsin better. But she did get the third most votes of any candidate in American history. Is that really staggerating incompetence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Bosch View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Koyaanisqatsi View Post
    Now that we screwed the pooch,
    It was Hillary being a poor candidate, combined with her hubris and the staggering level of incompetence in her campaign that screwed the pooch.

    Don't put that on Sanders!
    Do you really think that she was a "poor candidate" with a "staggering level of incompetence"? That seems pretty harsh. Sure, she lost the states. Should have defended Wisconsin better. But she did get the third most votes of any candidate in American history. Is that really staggerating incompetence?
    That, I would agree with. She made missteps, but there have been far more embarrassing presidential bids. You know ones that didn't end in taking the popular vote by a heady margin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolly_Penguin View Post
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    Great job Bernie!
    Jolly: this must be a bad day for you. You can't condemn the knuckedragging Americans today as much!
    It's ok. I can still condemn you, Harry.

    I have been hoping for Bernie to win for years. It could be a sign of great progress in the US. An indicator that the people are going to rise and transform the nation into one that puts the people first.
    Good deal! I know that the need to feel culturally superior is very luring!

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    Okay, so Sanders momentum is growing. Super Tuesday will be the day to see if he gets to the point of consolidation.

    Sanders isn’t my first pick, as he is very old, not great health, has a ‘socialist’ label vulnerability, and some of his supporters are fucking nuts and could provide Trump a narrative to bash Sanders into a pulp.

    His platform is otherwise sound and his victory in Nevada is showing a more widespread spectrum of support.

    So the question for me is who do you put on the ticket to ice this cake? He needs icing, a bit of it: a statesman due to his health, some demographic pleasers, and someone to make people who might not be energetic to him energetic to that ticket.

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