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    Quote Originally Posted by J842P View Post
    Yes, medical school costs need to be addressed somehow. I'm not sure what the solution is.
    One workable solution is to have medical school reimbursed for years serving under-served communities. Spend a year serving a poor community in a government facility, get a year’s tuition paid. If all health care proofessionals spent their first 7 years serving poor communities, we would bring great care to those communities, and society would get good value for their educaiton bucks.

    People already embrace this with the GI bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by J842P View Post
    Yes, medical school costs need to be addressed somehow. I'm not sure what the solution is.
    One workable solution is to have medical school reimbursed for years serving under-served communities. Spend a year serving a poor community in a government facility, get a year’s tuition paid. If all health care proofessionals spent their first 7 years serving poor communities, we would bring great care to those communities, and society would get good value for their educaiton bucks.

    People already embrace this with the GI bill.
    Your GI Bill is about people being compensated for risking their lives and doing horrible things, following orders from those they hope aren't using them for ill. Are you sure you want to compare a doctor gong to work In an underserved area the same way, reinforcing stigma against these communities as doctors feel generous and like they are owed something for healing these people instead of those people over there? Not to mention the stigma that'd be attached to new doctors in underserved areas, presumed to only go there for the money.

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    There's a small problem that's ignored here about universal health care. Who will pay for it? Socialist like Sanders and Co, insist that only the top 1% of the highest salary earners will pay for it. That's a delusion. The tax hikes of the trillions of dollars it costs will be paid by ALL. In Scandinavian countries that are partly socialised, the tax rates they pay would never be accepted in a country such as the USA.
    No, Bernie Sanders has stated that it will be payed for by general taxation.
    In other words, a huge hike in the tax rate! I'm sorry to have to inform you, but there's no such thing as free lunch! Someone always has to pay!

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelo View Post
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    There's a small problem that's ignored here about universal health care. Who will pay for it? Socialist like Sanders and Co, insist that only the top 1% of the highest salary earners will pay for it. That's a delusion. The tax hikes of the trillions of dollars it costs will be paid by ALL. In Scandinavian countries that are partly socialised, the tax rates they pay would never be accepted in a country such as the USA.
    No, Bernie Sanders has stated that it will be payed for by general taxation.
    In other words, a huge hike in the tax rate! I'm sorry to have to inform you, but there's no such thing as free lunch! Someone always has to pay!
    So you'd prefer to pay $600 a month to a health insurance company as opposed to $200 a month in taxes?
    When conservatives realize they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will abandon democracy.

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    Bullock is out.
    When conservatives realize they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will abandon democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolly_Penguin View Post
    Not to mention the stigma that'd be attached to new doctors in underserved areas, presumed to only go there for the money.

    That potentially seems a somewhat spurious concern to me. People generally take better-paid jobs of all sorts partly because of the extra money. I can't think why they would be any more stigmatised just because they want and get more money for something like helping the underserved, especially as they might also get at least some separate credit for helping the underserved in this hypothetical example.

    Also, I think your Political mask is slipping again. You're now trying to raise objections to purely socioeconomic special assistance measures to counter inequalities, despite having on previous occasions advocated for them.
    Last edited by ruby sparks; 12-02-2019 at 03:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiprHead View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by angelo View Post

    In other words, a huge hike in the tax rate! I'm sorry to have to inform you, but there's no such thing as free lunch! Someone always has to pay!
    So you'd prefer to pay $600 a month to a health insurance company as opposed to $200 a month in taxes?
    Before I dropped my private health insurance, I was paying around $400AUD per month for two adults for basic hospital cover, which is a lot of money for someone living off an aged pension to pay. We have a universal public health system in Australia, paid for by a tax surcharge on salaries, which of course only covers a small percentage of the true cost of this black hole called " public health, or Medicare. "
    But the waiting list for elective surgery can and does stretch into years. My partner had to wait 2 years for a knee replacement for example.
    At the present time, around 40% of people are also covered by private health insurance, and this number is slowly but surely diminishing. The day of reckoning isn't too far away if as it seems likely the number of privately insured people drops to unsustainable levels. Especially the younger people. Then it will either be a substantial increase in taxes, or the dismantling of Medicare forcing every one to either takes pot luck with their health, or 're join a private health insurance company.
    Like I keep saying, there's no such thing as a free lunch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelo View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelo View Post

    In other words, a huge hike in the tax rate! I'm sorry to have to inform you, but there's no such thing as free lunch! Someone always has to pay!
    So you'd prefer to pay $600 a month to a health insurance company as opposed to $200 a month in taxes?
    Before I dropped my private health insurance, I was paying around $400AUD per month for two adults for basic hospital cover, which is a lot of money for someone living off an aged pension to pay. We have a universal public health system in Australia, paid for by a tax surcharge on salaries, which of course only covers a small percentage of the true cost of this black hole called " public health, or Medicare. "
    But the waiting list for elective surgery can and does stretch into years. My partner had to wait 2 years for a knee replacement for example.
    At the present time, around 40% of people are also covered by private health insurance, and this number is slowly but surely diminishing. The day of reckoning isn't too far away if as it seems likely the number of privately insured people drops to unsustainable levels. Especially the younger people. Then it will either be a substantial increase in taxes, or the dismantling of Medicare forcing every one to either takes pot luck with their health, or 're join a private health insurance company.
    Like I keep saying, there's no such thing as a free lunch!
    Actually, you are correct. There is no such thing as a free lunch. It gets paid by someone. And UHC will cost more. However, it's a higher expense that I'm willing to pay for, for the following reasons: It would give me personal satisfaction knowing that the people in the area where I live all have access to heath care; I would know that if I failed at something, that there would be additional safety net for me to help get back on my feet; having all people treated would lower the chance of an untreatable communicable disease could spread; US companies would be stronger if they didn't have to provide for their workers healthcare; entrepreneurship would be easier if people didn't have to worry about their health care; and having all people treated would increase the number of health care positions, increasing jobs.
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    Just imagine the insanity of being able to have a profession of your choosing based on what you want to do for a living, not what provides health care for you and your family.

    It'd be crazy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelo View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelo View Post

    In other words, a huge hike in the tax rate! I'm sorry to have to inform you, but there's no such thing as free lunch! Someone always has to pay!
    So you'd prefer to pay $600 a month to a health insurance company as opposed to $200 a month in taxes?
    Before I dropped my private health insurance, I was paying around $400AUD per month for two adults for basic hospital cover, which is a lot of money for someone living off an aged pension to pay. We have a universal public health system in Australia, paid for by a tax surcharge on salaries, which of course only covers a small percentage of the true cost of this black hole called " public health, or Medicare. "
    You have it much better in upside-down land than we do in the US. The $600 I noted above is not unusual here. My brother-in-law pays that for his "employer provided" health insurance. He's a single man that just turned fifty.

    What is, in your opinion, the true cost of your medicare system?
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