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    Quote Originally Posted by TSwizzle View Post

    There is zero evidence of this. None.
    Sure. None at all. http://scholar.google.com.au/scholar...=1&oi=scholart
    The chatter about "extreme weather" is absolute nonsense.
    Nobody except you is talking about weather. Are you even aware that you are changing the subject? Or are you genuinely so ignorant of the subject that you don't know the difference between weather and climate?

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    Weather is to climate as a stock price is to a moving average. The actual occurances in nature we can measure are weather events. To use temperature as an example, it’s something we can measure. We can’t go outside and observe, measure, or feel an average (oh say, 10-year) temperature, but with a calculating tool, we can derive what the average is. The average in this case would be an instance of an aspect of our climate. The next day we can do another 10-year average and see how it has changed; that would be our climate change (it’s moving average).

    It gets a lot more complicated, but that’s the gist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by angelo View Post
    Truth is the First Casualty of Global Warming
    Dec 18, 2018 BJØRN LOMBORG
    The truth about climate change is nuanced: it is real, and in the long term it will be a problem, but its impact is less than we might believe. And yet we are too eager to believe the problem is far worse than science shows, and – conversely – that our solutions are far easier than reality dictates.

    BRUSSELS – The latest global climate summit in Poland has generated familiar predictions of doom and disaster from environmental activists. Climate change seems to freeze our capacity for critical thinking: we are too eager to believe the problem is far worse than science shows, and – conversely – that our solutions are far easier than reality dictates.

    Consider weather events: it is second nature now to link these to climate change. Whenever a flood hits, the media blames global warming and warns that floods are increasing. But the most authoritative conclusion by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is that it is not even clear whether floods have increased or decreased globally over the past century.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bjorn Lomborg
    Global warming is real – it is man-made and it is an important problem.
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    That's from 9 years ago. In the meantime Lomborg has become much more sceptical about the alarmism and the political solutions on the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bilby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TSwizzle View Post

    There is zero evidence of this. None.
    Sure. None at all. http://scholar.google.com.au/scholar...=1&oi=scholart
    The chatter about "extreme weather" is absolute nonsense.
    Nobody except you is talking about weather. Are you even aware that you are changing the subject? Or are you genuinely so ignorant of the subject that you don't know the difference between weather and climate?
    Climate alarmists claim extreme weather patterns are caused by GW/CC/CD. So weather and climate are blood sisters!

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    Climate change skeptics seem to want the problem to be solved before they will acknowledge the problem. And they want this solution to not involve the government in any meaningful way because the government is evil, the libertarian mindset.

    The climate change activists seem to believe the opposite. That evil capitalism is the problem and therefore can't solve the problem so it has to be done by the government, but the most obvious solution to the problem, nuclear power, can't be used.

    This leads to the inevitable conclusion that while the right is afraid of science, the left is afraid of technology.

    This is the polarized political arena that we are stuck with. But it is just in the US that this argument is so badly handled. Conservative political parties all over the world accept the science, not because it is politically expedient to do so but because the science is so conclusive. One of the very first politicians to accept the science and to sound the alarm in a speech to the UN, seventeen years before Al Gore made his movie, was Margaret Thatcher.

    And the idea that capitalism can't solve this problem is absurd. This is what capitalism does the best, solve a problem in the most economical way possible. It is the way that so many of these types of problems have been solved over the years. The problem of air and water pollution causing disease and reducing lifespans, the problems with lead in paint and gasoline harming the intellectual development of our children, the problems with automobiles needlessly killing people in an accident, cigarette smoking causing lung cancer, the economic problem of a cartel setting the price of oil, CFCs harming the upper atmosphere, automobiles, appliances, homes, industrial plants, commercial buildings consuming too much energy, etc.

    Science identifies the problem, the government sets a goal for solving it and capitalism takes over and solves it. But all three are needed. Without science, we don't know that we have a problem or we don't know what is causing the problem that we see. Without government action to ban, set limits or goals duly enforced the private sector can't act because it would be economic suicide for a single company to act on its own disadvantaging itself economically. Without science and the certainty of government action capitalism won't solve the problem.

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    Yet people living in the Western World's lifespans keep on increasing! Crops are feeding the ever increasing world's population despite the doom and gloom of doomsayers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelo View Post
    Yet people living in the Western World's lifespans keep on increasing! Crops are feeding the ever-increasing world's population despite the doom and gloom of doomsayers!
    Yes, exactly. The doomsayers are wrong that capitalism can't solve the problems that we face with climate change. Capitalism was the driving force behind the true® green revolution, that produced an average of four times the yield in grain production over a hundred years, that allowed us to feed our growing population. I was in China just after it started opening itself up to the rest of the world and I was told many times by the Chinese that what convinced them to open themselves to the world was the International Rice Research Institute in the Philippines that increased the yields of the rice plant from 1.23 metric tons per hectare in 1961 to 3.59 metric tons per hectare in 2009. They were one of the first to gene splice to add Vitamin A to aid people's eyesight in Asia and Africa.

    The doomsayers are wrong that solving the problem will bankrupt the economy, put us back in the dark ages that result from exorbitant electric power bills due to carbon pricing, dubbed the carbon tax by the naysayers, or cap and trade, a scheme to let Wall Street and the bankers claim a portion of the flow of money, undeservedly in my opinion. The primary way of reducing carbon emissions is energy conservation, which pays back in the future and carbon pricing offers an incentive to do it and provides a way to finance the improvements by selling the carbon credits.

    The doomsayers are wrong that nuclear power is too dangerous to use to reduce coal burning, nuclear power is the safest way to generate power, coal-fired electrical generation puts more radiation into the atmosphere every year than all of the nuclear power plants have released in their history by orders of magnitude. The doomsayers have prevented the development of gen 4 nuclear power reactors that are intrinsically safe, that can burn their own waste and the waste accumulated by all of the fission reactors that have operated.

    The doomsayers portray climate change as a left-wing plot against technology and industry and against capitalism itself. It isn't, the threat of climate change is real and it has to be dealt with. It has been admitted as a problem by Margaret Thatcher and Newt Gingrich in 2008, at least, his record since is spotty. Conservatives like Bobby Jindal and Marco Rubio hide behind fretted ignorance, "I am not a scientist," seeking a free pass between sounding like an idiot and angering the self-confessed idiots in the Republican base of support.

    Please read Conservatives and Climate Change in the journal National Affairs dated Summer 2015. National Affairs is considered to be a conservative journal, albeit, of the rarest kind, a responsible conservative journal that doesn't toe the party line. This is what I have been trying to get across to you here. Please read it and tell me if you find it in any way persuasive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleubird View Post
    Records are made to be broken. There's nothing new under the sun. If GW/CC/CD wasn't so politicised and was a real scientific problem, then like polio, TB and many other challenges and threats to humanity, science as it has done so for centuries will solve it without the destruction of our way of life. When renewable energy becomes cheaper than fossil fuels in the future, the capitalist market will turn to it out of necessity and economic sense. Another way is mass birth control in the poorest nations in the world. Today there are over 200 million women in these countries unable to choose the number, timing and spacing of their children. Al these unplanned children will require resources like power grids, food supplies and non existing jobs in order to support more and more people. Instead of wasting US trillions on trying to keep the planet 0.5C cooler by 2100, shouldn't we solve this problem first?

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelo View Post
    Yet people living in the Western World's lifespans keep on increasing!
    You are SO full of shit. Buy yourself an elementary education, dude.

    Life Expectancy Continues to Decline

    You can't even get simple undisputed facts right - why should anyone believe your parroted right wing climate change denial?

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