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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumpenproletariat View Post
    There's no solution to the problem unless we --


    increase gasoline taxes and

    increase electricity bills for energy produced by coal.


    Someone has to tell the crybabies what they don't want to hear.
    Actually, I object to this approach. Don't do it piecemeal, tax CO2 emissions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lumpenproletariat View Post
    There's no solution to the problem unless we --


    increase gasoline taxes and

    increase electricity bills for energy produced by coal.


    Someone has to tell the crybabies what they don't want to hear.
    Actually, I object to this approach. Don't do it piecemeal, tax CO2 emissions.
    I agree. Tax Carbon Dioxide emissions, and if practical, Methane emissions too (particularly fugitive Methane from all elements of the natural gas industry).

    No subsidies; No special treatment; No minimum wholesale prices; And all CO2 emissions taxed at the same rate across the board.

    But it's not going to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by repoman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by angelo View Post
    A better solution would be accept the inevitable and adapt or perish as humankind can't do a thing about it despite it's best efforts. Remember, extinction is the rule not an exception on planet Earth.
    Ok, so why not say the same thing for high rate of Islamic immigration. Just adapt.

    But you are saying that human induced climate change iis not happening.
    I never said GW/CC/CD is not happening. I said that that's what Climate does, it changes, and has been doing so for over 4 billion years. It's a huge leap to associate muslim migration with adaption to GW/CC/CD. Muslim ideology is not compatible to the Western World, and without drastic reforms, [very unlikely] it will never be! And that's something the Western World can do something about before this death cult reaches such numbers as 20-50% of a Western World's population.

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    This, another James Randi type challenge, with not quite a million dollar prize, but nevertheless relevant. A group of REAL scientist have thrown out this challenge to anyone who can scientifically prove the minute amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is causing GW/CC/CD.

    $10,000 PRIZE TO THE FIRST APPLICANT TO PRESENT EVIDENCE THAT MAN-MADE CO2 CAUSES CATASTROPHIC GLOBAL WARMING
    NOVEMBER 27, 2019 CAP ALLON
    To emphasize its claim that there is no convincing evidence that carbon dioxide causes temperature warming beyond natural cyclical limits long observed and recorded, the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition has offered the Professor Augie Auer prize of $10,000, to be granted to the first applicant to present real-world evidence showing that the man-made fraction of airborne carbon dioxide causes dangerous global warming.

    •In honor of the late AUGIE AUER, Professor of Atmospheric Science at the University of Wyoming, Chief Meteorologist for the MetService, co-founder of the NZ Climate Science Coalition and much-loved scientist of the highest integrity, members of the Coalition have established a fund now totaling $10,000 to be granted to the first applicant to present real-world evidence showing that the man-made fraction of airborne carbon dioxide causes dangerous global warming.

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    Scientists Reach 100% Consensus on Anthropogenic Global Warming

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    The consensus among research scientists on anthropogenic global warming has grown to 100%, based on a review of 11,602 peer-reviewed articles on “climate change” and “global warming” published in the first 7 months of 2019.
    When conservatives realize they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will abandon democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bilby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lumpenproletariat View Post
    There's no solution to the problem unless we --


    increase gasoline taxes and

    increase electricity bills for energy produced by coal.


    Someone has to tell the crybabies what they don't want to hear.
    Actually, I object to this approach. Don't do it piecemeal, tax CO2 emissions.
    I agree. Tax Carbon Dioxide emissions, and if practical, Methane emissions too (particularly fugitive Methane from all elements of the natural gas industry).

    No subsidies; No special treatment; No minimum wholesale prices; And all CO2 emissions taxed at the same rate across the board.

    But it's not going to happen.
    Sure it will, once cold fusion becomes viable.

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    Climate change/emergency/crisis/catastrophe/rapture etc, really is a religion;

    The climate emergency is a “challenge of civilisation” requiring sweeping changes to economic systems, but political leaders have not done enough, the pope has said in a message to governments meeting at the annual climate summit in Madrid.

    Kat Kramer, the global climate lead at Christian Aid, welcomed the message from the Holy See: “The pope’s intervention in 2015, Laudato si’, helped to secure the Paris agreement, and pushed the cause of global cooperation. It’s a sad reflection on the lack of progress since then that he feels the need to once again make the moral case for action.
    Teh Grauniad

    Nice to see the leader of one of the world's most prolific pedophile rings taking a moral stand on the important stuff.

    Various faith groups prayed for action on the climate on Tuesday at the COP, and on Friday morning will bring a giant clock to the venue to “sound the alarm” on the climate crisis.


    Climate change, a rapture like cult.

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    How can CO2 emissions be reduced WITHOUT a higher gas tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lumpenproletariat View Post
    There's no solution to the problem unless we --


    increase gasoline taxes and

    increase electricity bills for energy produced by coal.


    Someone has to tell the crybabies what they don't want to hear.
    Actually, I object to this approach. Don't do it piecemeal, tax CO2 emissions.
    How are the emissions to be taxed? "tax CO2 emissions" is just a meaningless slogan unless it translates into higher gas tax.

    Any such CO2 tax has to include higher price for gas and for electricity generated by coal.

    Whatever form it takes, it must force all consumers individually to pay a higher price for their fossil fuel consumption, which has to mean higher price at the pump and higher utility bills. I.e., it means the crybabies have to give up their entitlement to cheap gas.

    That means all drivers, all consumers of energy would have an incentive to change to non-carbon alternatives. Those who don't change must pay higher prices.

    What form of carbon emissions is greater than that of gasoline consumption and coal-produced electricity? Obviously taxing these directly, at higher than the current rate, will greatly reduce carbon emissions.

    Of course there are other forms of carbon emissions which also should be taxed. And those costs would be passed on to consumers. Like the higher gas taxes paid by truckers would be passed on in the form of higher prices. Direct users would pay the tax, but this higher cost would be distributed around to everyone.

    If individual consumers are not taxed directly, forcing them individually to pay higher prices, incentivizing them to change, how are the emissions to be reduced?

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelo View Post
    $10,000 PRIZE TO THE FIRST APPLICANT TO PRESENT EVIDENCE THAT MAN-MADE CO2 CAUSES CATASTROPHIC GLOBAL WARMING
    NOVEMBER 27, 2019 CAP ALLON
    With what rules of evidence?

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    The worldwide surge in deadly measles outbreaks is showing no sign of abating, with nearly 10 million cases and 142,000 deaths last year, according to new estimates, and three times more cases reported so far this year than at the same stage in 2018. Most of those dying are small children, and thousands more suffer harm including pneumonia and brain damage. New scientific evidence shows survivors are at greater risk soon afterwards because their immune system is impaired.
    In the Democratic Republic of the Congo, where not enough children have been immunised because of conflict and low-quality health services, more than 4,500 people have died from measles this year – more than the death toll from Ebola.

    Teh Grauniad

    A bit of rain or cold weather gets the youth of today out on the streets in droves, playing truant and a Swedish kid's field trip to the USA gets wall to wall coverage.

    Tens of thousands children dying due to a lack of health care, *crickets*. Too occupied with this irrational obsession with CO2 and the evils of "fossil fuels" and "big oil".

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