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    Quote Originally Posted by TSwizzle View Post
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    Why, I dare to ask, do you reject the evidence that has been consistently presented by something like 98% of climate scientists?
    Scant evidence presented.
    What a shock that you didn't actually read the OP or click on the link to the overwhelming evidence presented.

    But more importantly, nobody gives a shit about your opinion on the matter. You aren't in any way qualified to comment regardless of how much or how little evidence is presented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koyaanisqatsi View Post
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    Why, I dare to ask, do you reject the evidence that has been consistently presented by something like 98% of climate scientists?
    Scant evidence presented.
    What a shock that you didn't actually read the OP or click on the link to the overwhelming evidence presented.

    But more importantly, nobody gives a shit about your opinion on the matter. You aren't in any way qualified to comment regardless of how much or how little evidence is presented.
    The ignorance and hubris required for a layperson to announce that "scant evidence" is sufficient to convince 99+% of all qualified scientists of something - ANYTHING, is simply staggering.

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    record wildfires in California
    Zero evidence that CA wildfires are cause/made worse by "climate change". Wildfires in CA are a natural and necessary phenomenon and made worse because of poor forest management.. Most wildfires do not start naturally, they are started by human interactions. And do you know why so many died trying to escape the fires in Paradise. Because the fuckwit planners reduced a four lane highway to two lanes which severely impeded people fleeing the fire and fire trucks trying to get in to fight the fire.

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    Why, I dare to ask, do you reject the evidence that has been consistently presented by something like 98% of climate scientists?
    Scant evidence presented.
    What a shock that you didn't actually read the OP or click on the link to the overwhelming evidence presented.

    But more importantly, nobody gives a shit about your opinion on the matter. You aren't in any way qualified to comment regardless of how much or how little evidence is presented.
    The report has more rapture like rhetoric than evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSwizzle View Post
    I'm baffled as to why people think the earth's climate should never fluctuate. These irresponsible proclamations of death and destruction are not based on science or evidence.
    Your observation certainly is not based on science nor evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Bosch View Post
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    I'm not saying it's a good thing. I think is a very bad thing, that could, in the worst case, end our civilization. I think working to reduce climate change and mitigate its effects should be a top priority, and it seems to me that it is not a major issue in any political election anywhere. And with Trump, the US (a major emissioner of greenhouse gases) is having four lost years, potentially eight lost years, of contributing to that work. Not that I think Clinton would have done enough, but it would at least have been something, and not blanket denial of scientific facts a la Trump.
    It won't end our civilization. But it will cause massive economic correction, perhaps causing the largest depression in world history. It will kill millions of people. I believe that it will set back our civilization back substantially. The big crime that the republicans committed was delegitimizing the Paris accords and pulling us out of the international agreement. Our only hope is to come together and find a global solution. I hate to say it but there are very few republicans with the courage to speak out against Trump regarding this.
    In worst case it would end human civilization. In the link below, it is listed what will happen at different degrees of warming. And the most extreme, a 5 to 6 degrees increase, if you read the description, how could human civilization as we know it be sustained?

    A degree by degree explanation of what will happen when the earth warms

    From what I understand, if current trends continue, we are heading for a 4 degrees increase during this century. And even that would put human civilization under great stress, with environmental collapses in large parts of the world.

    It can still mostly be averted, and we can keep the global temperature increase under 2 degrees, or even under 1.5 degrees. But then action must be taken now. And there is nowhere nearly enough of that.

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    I'm not saying it's a good thing. I think is a very bad thing, that could, in the worst case, end our civilization. I think working to reduce climate change and mitigate its effects should be a top priority, and it seems to me that it is not a major issue in any political election anywhere. And with Trump, the US (a major emissioner of greenhouse gases) is having four lost years, potentially eight lost years, of contributing to that work. Not that I think Clinton would have done enough, but it would at least have been something, and not blanket denial of scientific facts a la Trump.
    It won't end our civilization. But it will cause massive economic correction, perhaps causing the largest depression in world history. It will kill millions of people. I believe that it will set back our civilization back substantially. The big crime that the republicans committed was delegitimizing the Paris accords and pulling us out of the international agreement. Our only hope is to come together and find a global solution. I hate to say it but there are very few republicans with the courage to speak out against Trump regarding this.
    Why wouldn't ending our civilization be a good thing? Hey, a few generations of declining human population, war, disease and general mayhem might be just what the doctor ordered. Get the global population down to a half billion or so, and everyone could be happy.
    What about the massive human and animal suffering that would take place if it was to happen?

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    Here is a link to the report - https://nca2018.globalchange.gov/. I seriously doubt any detractors have bothered to actually read the report (or even its summary).

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    For all you do gooders who thinks the US can solve the worlds problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Bosch View Post
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    I'm not saying it's a good thing. I think is a very bad thing, that could, in the worst case, end our civilization. I think working to reduce climate change and mitigate its effects should be a top priority, and it seems to me that it is not a major issue in any political election anywhere. And with Trump, the US (a major emissioner of greenhouse gases) is having four lost years, potentially eight lost years, of contributing to that work. Not that I think Clinton would have done enough, but it would at least have been something, and not blanket denial of scientific facts a la Trump.
    It won't end our civilization. But it will cause massive economic correction, perhaps causing the largest depression in world history. It will kill millions of people. I believe that it will set back our civilization back substantially. The big crime that the republicans committed was delegitimizing the Paris accords and pulling us out of the international agreement. Our only hope is to come together and find a global solution. I hate to say it but there are very few republicans with the courage to speak out against Trump regarding this.
    The US is broke now. Asking the US to be the leader in climate change is like asking Sears and Roebuck to be the worlds leader of retail sales.

    And for all you Trump bashers who think it is all his fault.....its really all YOUR fault for having too many kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RVonse View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Bosch View Post
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    I'm not saying it's a good thing. I think is a very bad thing, that could, in the worst case, end our civilization. I think working to reduce climate change and mitigate its effects should be a top priority, and it seems to me that it is not a major issue in any political election anywhere. And with Trump, the US (a major emissioner of greenhouse gases) is having four lost years, potentially eight lost years, of contributing to that work. Not that I think Clinton would have done enough, but it would at least have been something, and not blanket denial of scientific facts a la Trump.
    It won't end our civilization. But it will cause massive economic correction, perhaps causing the largest depression in world history. It will kill millions of people. I believe that it will set back our civilization back substantially. The big crime that the republicans committed was delegitimizing the Paris accords and pulling us out of the international agreement. Our only hope is to come together and find a global solution. I hate to say it but there are very few republicans with the courage to speak out against Trump regarding this.
    The US is broke now. Asking the US to be the leader in climate change is like asking Sears and Roebuck to be the worlds leader of retail sales.
    Your response is based on the faulty assumption that taking the lead in climate change would necessarily be very costly.
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    And for all you Trump bashers who think it is all his fault.....its really all YOUR fault for having too many kids.
    Trump has changed course that will increase the US's contribution to climate change. Climate change is not a single person's fault. In fact, fault-finding is unproductive at this juncture in time. What is needed is thoughtful and realistic assessments of what is possible, and then action to move to both ameliorate and mitigate the effects of climate change.

    One final note, what does the number of children that Trump bashers have to do with anything about climate change?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSwizzle View Post
    I'm baffled as to why people think the earth's climate should never fluctuate. These irresponsible proclamations of death and destruction are not based on science or evidence.
    Of course it fluctuates. That doesn't mean all fluctuations are natural or that all fluctuations don't matter. The extremes of natural fluctuations of Earth's climate (admittedly far in the past) are catastrophic. On the cold side it would have been an extinction event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSwizzle View Post
    I'm baffled as to why people think the earth's climate should never fluctuate. These irresponsible proclamations of death and destruction are not based on science or evidence.
    I’m equally as baffled how someone can make such a stupid remark despite such a statement having been repeatedly debunked.

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