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    Quote Originally Posted by J842P View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Under the Rose View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by southernhybrid View Post
    When Chinese restaurants used to put a lot of MSG in their food, it usually gave me a headache. There is no definitive research to support the idea that MSG causes any type of permanent damage, but it does give a lot of people headaches, or a few other side effects. None of the Asian restaurants that I've eaten at in recent years use MSG in the food anymore, so I have no idea why MSG is an issue now. It might just be the overload of sodium that gave some of us headaches. I don't use salt in my cooking or on my food, so maybe people like me just can't tolerate large amounts of sodium.

    Anyway, I read a lot of medical sites before I posted this and they all said that there are a lot of people that have mild side effects from eating foods seasoned with MSG. I remember when it was a big thing for the menus in Asian restaurants to say, "no MSG added." That was a long time ago, so I didn't know anyone still used it. I can't tolerate a lot of other seasonings that are commonly used in Indian and/or Mexican food, but I don't think that makes me racist. It just means that I'm not able to tolerate certain spices and seasonings, so I avoid them as much as possible.

    But seriously, do American restaurants still use MSG in the food?
    In Canada, a majority of canned soups contain MSG. Additionally, many ingredients that go by other names contain MSG. The processed food industry contains a lot of 'Generally Regarded As Safe (GRAS)' ingredients that are banned in European and other countries. It is a food industry first and foremost and the name of the game is profit and finding uses for otherwise waste products. Much of the research for GRAS ingredients has been done at the cost of the industry and never really held to much scrutiny or long term studies done on same. Ask yourself why the industry has been so resistant to more precise labeling regulation? It can hardly be about cost since they reinvent themselves almost annually along with new packaging and printing.

    If you are one of those who does notice any effects from MSG (or any of it's ilk) then by all means stay informed and make your purchasing choices accordingly. As per the links I have provided, the subject remains contentious.

    Hidden names for MSG and free glutamic acid:

    Names of ingredients that always contain processed free glutamic acid: (7)

    • Glutamic Acid (E 620)
    • Glutamate (E 620)
    • Monosodium Glutamate (E 621)
    • Monopotassium Glutamate (E 622)
    • Calcium Glutamate (E 623)
    • Monoammonium Glutamate (E 624)
    • Magnesium Glutamate (E 625)
    • Natrium Glutamate
    • Yeast Extract
    • Anything “hydrolyzed”
    • Any “hydrolyzed protein”
    • Calcium Caseinate
    • Sodium Caseinate
    • Yeast Food
    • Yeast Nutrient
    • Autolyzed Yeast
    • Gelatin
    • Textured Protein
    • Soy Protein
    • Soy Protein Concentrate
    • Soy Protein Isolate
    • Whey Protein
    • Whey Protein Concentrate
    • Whey Protein Isolate
    • Anything “…protein”
    • Vetsin
    • Ajinomoto

    Names of ingredients that often contain or produce processed free glutamic acid: (7)

    • Carrageenan (E 407)
    • Bouillon and broth
    • Stock
    • Any “flavors” or “flavoring”
    • Maltodextrin
    • Citric acid, Citrate (E 330)
    • Anything “ultra-pasteurized”
    • Barley malt
    • Pectin (E 440)
    • Protease
    • Anything “enzyme modified”
    • Anything containing “enzymes”
    • Malt extract
    • Soy sauce
    • Soy sauce extract
    • Anything “protein fortified”
    • Anything “fermented”
    • Seasonings

    The following are ingredients suspected of containing or creating sufficient processed free glutamic acid to serve as MSG-reaction triggers in HIGHLY SENSITIVE people: (7)

    • Corn starch
    • Corn syrup
    • Modified food starch
    • Lipolyzed butter fat
    • Dextrose
    • Rice syrup
    • Brown rice syrup
    • Milk powder
    • Reduced fat milk (skim; 1%; 2%)
    • Most things labeled “Low Fat” or “No Fat”
    • Anything labeled “Enriched”
    • Anything labeled “Vitamin Enriched”

    https://lifespa.com/sneaky-names-for-msg-check-your-labels/

    https://examine.com/nutrition/is-msg...r-your-health/

    https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/msg-good-or-bad






    Pretty much all food will produce glutamic acid, even if it isn't sprinkled on, during cooking, curing, pickling and digestion. It is impossible to avoid, and even if you could avoid eating it, your own body creates it!
    Indeed, just like the other amino acids it is important for good health.


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    All things in moderation. I found the following article of interest and it has links to the information cited. Some folks are definitely sensitive to different foods and additives while others do not seem to be affected.

    https://www.selfhacked.com/blog/glutamate/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Under the Rose View Post
    All things in moderation. I found the following article of interest and it has links to the information cited. Some folks are definitely sensitive to different foods and additives while others do not seem to be affected.

    https://www.selfhacked.com/blog/glutamate/
    Having too much of a required nutrient can be a problem in many cases, this comes up often with vitamin mega-doses.

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    My mother complains about anything that has MSG, regardless of where it's from. She even disliked when I suggested getting some MSG to add to food. In her case it's because she read a Facebook post that said it's bad. Seriously, that's the only reason. She never double-checked. My mother also to some degree believes in astrology, so...

    Plus you have the people who think all non-natural chemicals in food are bad, by default. Is that necessarily racist?
    Do human beings have free will? I can't decide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GenesisNemesis View Post
    My mother complains about anything that has MSG, regardless of where it's from. She even disliked when I suggested getting some MSG to add to food. In her case it's because she read a Facebook post that said it's bad. Seriously, that's the only reason. She never double-checked. My mother also to some degree believes in astrology, so...

    Plus you have the people who think all non-natural chemicals in food are bad, by default. Is that necessarily racist?
    Sounds like about half of the people I've known that claim to be allergic to gluten....self diagnosed or by a homeopath quack.

    As far as the racism goes behind the MSG ban...I lived through some of that during the 70's and 80's in Canada and there was definitely some racism behind the anti-MSG hatred. I can still remember going to Chinese food restaurants and seeing fathers imitate the waiters accent by saying "ching chong wong long dong" or whatever...it was a "normal" thing to witness.

    I used to watch shows on TV that regularly allowed garbage like this:


    (View video on YouTube)

    There have been several examples of this type of racism against Chinese people via their restaurants and having questionable meat sources...from pigeon, rats, cats or other wild birds instead of chicken, dog instead of pork etc.

    I've witnessed similar behavior while traveling in the US over both MSG, accents and questionable meat sources. I bet just about everyone of you have too.

    So if it sounds racist, it looks racist and it's been around for a decades sounding and looking racist...it's probably based in racism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godless Raven View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GenesisNemesis View Post
    My mother complains about anything that has MSG, regardless of where it's from. She even disliked when I suggested getting some MSG to add to food. In her case it's because she read a Facebook post that said it's bad. Seriously, that's the only reason. She never double-checked. My mother also to some degree believes in astrology, so...

    Plus you have the people who think all non-natural chemicals in food are bad, by default. Is that necessarily racist?
    Sounds like about half of the people I've known that claim to be allergic to gluten....self diagnosed or by a homeopath quack.

    As far as the racism goes behind the MSG ban...I lived through some of that during the 70's and 80's in Canada and there was definitely some racism behind the anti-MSG hatred. I can still remember going to Chinese food restaurants and seeing fathers imitate the waiters accent by saying "ching chong wong long dong" or whatever...it was a "normal" thing to witness.

    I used to watch shows on TV that regularly allowed garbage like this:


    (View video on YouTube)

    There have been several examples of this type of racism against Chinese people via their restaurants and having questionable meat sources...from pigeon, rats, cats or other wild birds instead of chicken, dog instead of pork etc.

    I've witnessed similar behavior while traveling in the US over both MSG, accents and questionable meat sources. I bet just about everyone of you have too.

    So if it sounds racist, it looks racist and it's been around for a decades sounding and looking racist...it's probably based in racism.
    I don't think anyone here is arguing that there was never or is now no racism against people of Asian (or specifically Chinese) descent in Canada (or elsewhere). That is quite different from suggesting that concerns about MSG are necessarily motivated by racism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peez View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Godless Raven View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GenesisNemesis View Post
    My mother complains about anything that has MSG, regardless of where it's from. She even disliked when I suggested getting some MSG to add to food. In her case it's because she read a Facebook post that said it's bad. Seriously, that's the only reason. She never double-checked. My mother also to some degree believes in astrology, so...

    Plus you have the people who think all non-natural chemicals in food are bad, by default. Is that necessarily racist?
    Sounds like about half of the people I've known that claim to be allergic to gluten....self diagnosed or by a homeopath quack.

    As far as the racism goes behind the MSG ban...I lived through some of that during the 70's and 80's in Canada and there was definitely some racism behind the anti-MSG hatred. I can still remember going to Chinese food restaurants and seeing fathers imitate the waiters accent by saying "ching chong wong long dong" or whatever...it was a "normal" thing to witness.

    I used to watch shows on TV that regularly allowed garbage like this:


    (View video on YouTube)

    There have been several examples of this type of racism against Chinese people via their restaurants and having questionable meat sources...from pigeon, rats, cats or other wild birds instead of chicken, dog instead of pork etc.

    I've witnessed similar behavior while traveling in the US over both MSG, accents and questionable meat sources. I bet just about everyone of you have too.

    So if it sounds racist, it looks racist and it's been around for a decades sounding and looking racist...it's probably based in racism.
    I don't think anyone here is arguing that there was never or is now no racism against people of Asian (or specifically Chinese) descent in Canada (or elsewhere). That is quite different from suggesting that concerns about MSG are necessarily motivated by racism.

    Peez
    Well, considering the best argument that it's not what happened has been to point out that the original complaint about the "condition" was started by a Chinese immigrant. Which makes about as much sense as saying US slavery wasn't slavery because African's were keeping black slaves before the slave trade. Which unfortunately is another bad argument you see all over the internet. It doesn't matter who made the original complaint, the racism that spread based on it is the racism I'm talking about.

    Also, I am not interested in battling straw men, such as the one you're putting up that I'm somehow arguing against an imaginary person claiming there has never been any racism regarding MSG. I've got better things to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godless Raven View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Peez View Post
    I don't think anyone here is arguing that there was never or is now no racism against people of Asian (or specifically Chinese) descent in Canada (or elsewhere). That is quite different from suggesting that concerns about MSG are necessarily motivated by racism.

    Peez
    Well, considering the best argument that it's not what happened has been to point out that the original complaint about the "condition" was started by a Chinese immigrant.
    I would disagree with that assertion. Leaving aside that if someone claims that complaints about MSG are necessarily racist then it is up to them to support the claim, I would suggest that the best argument against it is examples of people who complain about MSG when there is no Asian food involved.

    Which makes about as much sense as saying US slavery wasn't slavery because African's were keeping black slaves before the slave trade.
    This analogy makes no sense. A closer analogy would be if American 'blacks' started the slavery of 'blacks'. That a person of Chinese heritage first mentioned this issue suggests that either it was not motivated by racism against Chinese or this person was racist against Chinese (the latter seems unlikely, but I suppose that it is possible).
    Which unfortunately is another bad argument you see all over the internet. It doesn't matter who made the original complaint, the racism that spread based on it is the racism I'm talking about.
    It may well have spread in part because of racism, this is quite plausible.
    Also, I am not interested in battling straw men, such as the one you're putting up that I'm somehow arguing against an imaginary person claiming there has never been any racism regarding MSG.
    I was merely responding to this: "So if it sounds racist, it looks racist and it's been around for a decades sounding and looking racist...it's probably based in racism."
    I've got better things to do.
    By all means do so.

    Peez

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peez View Post
    I would disagree with that assertion. Leaving aside that if someone claims that complaints about MSG are necessarily racist then it is up to them to support the claim, I would suggest that the best argument against it is examples of people who complain about MSG when there is no Asian food involved.

    Which makes about as much sense as saying US slavery wasn't slavery because African's were keeping black slaves before the slave trade.
    This analogy makes no sense. A closer analogy would be if American 'blacks' started the slavery of 'blacks'. That a person of Chinese heritage first mentioned this issue suggests that either it was not motivated by racism against Chinese or this person was racist against Chinese (the latter seems unlikely, but I suppose that it is possible).
    Which unfortunately is another bad argument you see all over the internet. It doesn't matter who made the original complaint, the racism that spread based on it is the racism I'm talking about.
    It may well have spread in part because of racism, this is quite plausible.
    Also, I am not interested in battling straw men, such as the one you're putting up that I'm somehow arguing against an imaginary person claiming there has never been any racism regarding MSG.
    I was merely responding to this: "So if it sounds racist, it looks racist and it's been around for a decades sounding and looking racist...it's probably based in racism."
    I've got better things to do.
    By all means do so.

    Peez
    1. I'm pretty sure everyone on this thread agrees that MSG is not causing mass cases of illness and global headaches. I'm pretty sure everyone on this thread agrees that the evidence suggests a very small percentage of people are sensitive or allergic to MSG.

    2. I never stated in any context that all dislike, distrust or rumors about MSG in Chinese restaurants were based in racism. I very specifically fucking said "So if it sounds racist, it looks racist and it's been around for a decades sounding and looking racist...it's probably based in racism." Are you familiar with what the word "based" means? Are you familiar with what the word "probably" means? Does it sound like I was saying someone claimed there has never been any racism regarding MSG?

    3. No, that analogy was right on. It's about shifting goal posts and insinuating that the craze that took place had to do with a Chinese immigrant because he was the first person to bring up the alleged sickness rather than all the racist shit that was going on long before, during and after that idiot wrote his paper. As if someone how that idiot writing that paper was the reason for a shit load of non-Chinese people to talk about how Chinese restaurants are dirty, rat infested, serve cats and pigeons and poison people with MSG. They are unrelated exactly the same way it's unrelated to say look past white slavery, didn't you know that it was a black that first enslaved blacks!? Most of us have seen this argument from the severely ignorant.

    4. "It may have spread in part by racism, this is quite plausible". Yeah, especially to somebody like myself who lived its carry over in to Canada and witnessed it first hand multiple times in the US or through their media. It's really fucking plausible. Does it mean that 100% of these idiots were all racist? NO. I've never insinuated that. Is it 75%? 50%? I don't know, I've never claimed to know. I'm saying I witnessed how it took off like wildfire and that it was all part of the dirty, rat infested, cat eating contaminated Chinese racist garbage that was being spread through North America.

    5. I suspect there are some dummies that were getting the pretend headaches that want to make sure they themselves would never have to consider their motivations or they were just one of the dummies experiencing symptoms that never existed, and they were not racist at all. Just fucking dummies. Either way, now it's defense mode. "Racism...wha....wha racism? Uh...."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godless Raven View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Peez View Post
    I would disagree with that assertion. Leaving aside that if someone claims that complaints about MSG are necessarily racist then it is up to them to support the claim, I would suggest that the best argument against it is examples of people who complain about MSG when there is no Asian food involved.

    This analogy makes no sense. A closer analogy would be if American 'blacks' started the slavery of 'blacks'. That a person of Chinese heritage first mentioned this issue suggests that either it was not motivated by racism against Chinese or this person was racist against Chinese (the latter seems unlikely, but I suppose that it is possible). It may well have spread in part because of racism, this is quite plausible.
    Also, I am not interested in battling straw men, such as the one you're putting up that I'm somehow arguing against an imaginary person claiming there has never been any racism regarding MSG.
    I was merely responding to this: "So if it sounds racist, it looks racist and it's been around for a decades sounding and looking racist...it's probably based in racism."
    I've got better things to do.
    By all means do so.

    Peez
    1. I'm pretty sure everyone on this thread agrees that MSG is not causing mass cases of illness and global headaches. I'm pretty sure everyone on this thread agrees that the evidence suggests a very small percentage of people are sensitive or allergic to MSG.

    2. I never stated in any context that all dislike, distrust or rumors about MSG in Chinese restaurants were based in racism. I very specifically fucking said "So if it sounds racist, it looks racist and it's been around for a decades sounding and looking racist...it's probably based in racism." Are you familiar with what the word "based" means? Are you familiar with what the word "probably" means? Does it sound like I was saying someone claimed there has never been any racism regarding MSG?

    3. No, that analogy was right on. It's about shifting goal posts and insinuating that the craze that took place had to do with a Chinese immigrant because he was the first person to bring up the alleged sickness rather than all the racist shit that was going on long before, during and after that idiot wrote his paper. As if someone how that idiot writing that paper was the reason for a shit load of non-Chinese people to talk about how Chinese restaurants are dirty, rat infested, serve cats and pigeons and poison people with MSG. They are unrelated exactly the same way it's unrelated to say look past white slavery, didn't you know that it was a black that first enslaved blacks!? Most of us have seen this argument from the severely ignorant.

    4. "It may have spread in part by racism, this is quite plausible". Yeah, especially to somebody like myself who lived its carry over in to Canada and witnessed it first hand multiple times in the US or through their media. It's really fucking plausible. Does it mean that 100% of these idiots were all racist? NO. I've never insinuated that. Is it 75%? 50%? I don't know, I've never claimed to know. I'm saying I witnessed how it took off like wildfire and that it was all part of the dirty, rat infested, cat eating contaminated Chinese racist garbage that was being spread through North America.

    5. I suspect there are some dummies that were getting the pretend headaches that want to make sure they themselves would never have to consider their motivations or they were just one of the dummies experiencing symptoms that never existed, and they were not racist at all. Just fucking dummies. Either way, now it's defense mode. "Racism...wha....wha racism? Uh...."
    I can see that there is little point in attempting to discuss this further with you.

    Peez

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