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    Kent Hovind vs. Aron Ra

    It's actually happening, a debate in the format that is worst for Hovind. Instead of a live debate, they make videos, upload their videos, download each others videos, and insert responses. It is much like a written debate, but on video instead of paper.

    Frankly I'm surprised Hovind agreed, but after watching Round One, led off by Aron Ra, I can see where Kent is going with this.

    Aron posted one video, and Kent replied with seven videos. That was Round One.

    Aron has been posting and is still posting his Round Two videos, Kent is already posting his Round Three (?) videos. Um, Kent, you need to respond to Round Two before you can move on to Round Three.

    Kent wanted to keep the videos private just between the two of them, Aron refused and posted everything publicly to YouTube. He even had to post Kent's videos because Kent uploaded them and then set them to private.

    I think Aron is doing a pretty good job abolishing Kent's arguments, and Kent is doing a good job whining about it.

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    Kent Hovind was the first Creationist I came across. Found a website that debunked every one of his claims, but sadly it no longer exists.
    Do human beings have free will? I can't decide.

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    What? No links?

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    It is all on Aron Ra's channel on YouTube. Sorry I didn't link it.

    If you can stand watching Hovind's videos, I recommend watching them on Aron's channel.

    Hovind is the first creationist I've ever seen be called to task for inaccuracies by other creationists.

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    9 hours of ad homin attacks on each other and about 8.5 minutes of scientific debate. disappointed.

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    According to the atheist rules of debate it's not an ad hominem;
    - if everyone knows it's true
    - if it makes no difference to the inevitable outcome of the debate
    - if the other person "started it"
    - because only sticks and stones can break your bones
    - because filthy scumbag Christofascist liar is meant as a compliment

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    I would say, "citation needed," but it's standard creationist made-up-shit.
    Again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    According to the atheist rules of debate it's not an ad hominem;
    - if everyone knows it's true
    - if it makes no difference to the inevitable outcome of the debate
    - if the other person "started it"
    - because only sticks and stones can break your bones
    - because filthy scumbag Christofascist liar is meant as a compliment
    "You're bad therefore you're wrong" is an ad hominem.
    "You're wrong and also you're bad" is merely in poor taste.

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    That's what I just said.
    According to the atheist standard play book of debating it's never an ad hominem.

    "You're a filthy scum sucking liar. Now, let's continue the debate you braindead moron!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    That's what I just said.
    According to the atheist standard play book of debating it's never an ad hominem.

    "You're a filthy scum sucking liar. Now, let's continue the debate you braindead moron!"
    No. My clarification was correct. The first line, whether used by a creationist or a non-creationist, is an ad hominem. The second line, whether used by a creationist or a non-creationist, is not an ad hominem.

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