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    I've never heard an atheist debate this way. One might wonder if there is some projection going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Brown View Post
    I've never heard an atheist debate this way. One might wonder if there is some projection going on.
    With Lion, almost certainly.
    Plus, he doesn't seem to kniw what a ad hominem actually is.

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    They also had a "discussion" back in March.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by James Brown View Post
    I've never heard an atheist debate this way. One might wonder if there is some projection going on.
    With Lion, almost certainly.
    Plus, he doesn't seem to kniw what a ad hominem actually is.


    That's right.
    I have the mistaken view that using an abusive ad hominem in the course of a debate serves only one purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Brown View Post
    I've never heard an atheist debate this way. One might wonder if there is some projection going on.
    With Lion, almost certainly.
    Plus, he doesn't seem to kniw what a ad hominem actually is.


    That's right.
    I have the mistaken view that using an abusive ad hominem in the course of a debate serves only one purpose.
    Go back and review my description of the difference between ad hominem and name calling. Then read it again.

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    How about I read it 100 times.
    Will that make you more correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    How about I read it 100 times.
    Will that make you more correct?
    It might make you understand the difference.

    How about you explain the difference between name-calling and ad hominem to me, but without using the words "creationist", "scientist", "atheist" or "christian"? Maybe then I can find out if you understand it.

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    You claim that a derogatory personal remark made about ones debating opponent is not necessarily an abusive ad hominem Then you ask me to explain the difference between that (mere) insult and a real ad hom.

    Do you not see how you have just rendered the term ad hom meaningless?
    According to your (team atheism) rules you can make a personal attack on your opponent whenever you like and then plead, as a defence, that you didn't mean to influence the audience's opinion.

    "...hey everyone, my debating opponent is a known liar. I just want to get that on the record before we start the debate. (For no reason in particular.) OK now we can proceed with the unbiased, purely rational/logical contest of ideas.
    ...now that you know the truth about my scumbag, brain dead moron opponent "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    You claim that a derogatory personal remark made about ones debating opponent is not necessarily an abusive ad hominem Then you ask me to explain the difference between that (mere) insult and a real ad hom.

    Do you not see how you have just rendered the term ad hom meaningless?
    According to your (team atheism) rules you can make a personal attack on your opponent whenever you like and then plead, as a defence, that you didn't mean to influence the audience's opinion.

    "...hey everyone, my debating opponent is a known liar. I just want to get that on the record before we start the debate. (For no reason in particular.) OK now we can proceed with the unbiased, purely rational/logical contest of ideas.
    ...now that you know the truth about my scumbag, brain dead moron opponent "
    First of all, I'm not an atheist, I'm merely someone who can tell the difference between an insult and an ad hom. Telling the difference doesn't render the term meaningless.

    Ad hom is "you are bad therefore your argument is bad."
    Insult is "your argument is bad and also you are bad."

    The difference is very important, and to learn it would benefit you greatly. So try again. You explain the difference between name-calling and ad hominem to me, but without using the words "creationist", "scientist", "atheist" or "christian".

    You and I, both of us, and either of us, can all say "you are stupid" without it being an ad hominem. There is a difference. You can do it too, if you know the difference.

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    Oh we're doing the hamster wheel are we?
    Go back and review my comments about your comments regarding the difference between ad hominem and name calling. Then read them again.
    Then repost your original claim a third time.

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